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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Pete Sam

Subject: A new book on arthritis

Hey, my book about arthritis is at a bargain on amazon. It has great information about a cure. If you are interested . Please download here: http://bit.ly/1qDG5Wi
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

If it was that good, you wouldn't need to be touting it on here.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sorry to say this Pete Sam if you read the rules there is no advertising or selling on this site.
That is was Amazon is for this is a FORUM.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Sean

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I looked on Amazon - he has a cure book for Cancer too - and alzheimer's

All the reviews in Amazon from people that have bought have come in the last month! Looks dodgy.

Just my opionion - ;o)
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: rhona

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Lol, perhaps he is the new Messiah!
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Jackie

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I went on Amazon and all I came up with after typing in his name was Peter Sam The Friendly Engine, Thomas The Tank Engine And Friends. The subject matter would probably be as much use to me as this persons so called bargain arthritis book.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Andrew jones

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I read the book and it was pretty good. Just a lot of information.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Carol Hargreaves

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Ive read the book too and thought the information was a load of rubbish. I also felt I had been conned as the book has hardly any pages !! Waste of money.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Regardless of whether it is any good, you aren't allowed to advertise on here.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Melinda

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Well, the book is OK but I heard Moritz diet helps with healing a lot of ailments. Raw food diet help cleanse the immune system. Also, prayer to God helps. Seriously this book is OK.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: Pete sam

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sorry I didn't read the rules. I won't do it again. I have arthritis and I healed with a herbal diet. Go to reliv international and see what the doctor invented. It completely healed my arthritis. Everyone in this world will eventual get arthritis because of the wear and tear of life. My book is an informative and accurate understanding of a simple read on arthritis.
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Date: 18.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I'm pleased for you Pete, really. We get a lot of people touting their products on here with tedious regularity. That's all.
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: Suz

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Thanks for sharing such info Pete, I'm sure you didn't mean on selling anything to anyone on this forum other than good heart to help others with what you know.

Im always open to this kind of information and anything to help this dreaded awful disease.
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

He's selling a book, Suz! It's hardy out of the goodness of his heart that he is posting this link. Even if it was, it's not allowed.
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: Suz

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

How else are people meant to share information with others if they don't post a link or something??
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sharing information is one thing but selling your merchandise is just not allowed.
Suz it may seem harsh but if one does it then everyone does it and this is a chat forum.
We all wish him luck with his sales but just not on here.
Take care.
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: Jackie

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I am a Roadback member Suz and I never feel very welcome on this site, but hey ho !! I do however feel that advertising books with silly claims of cures are wrong.
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: Suz

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I appreciate this is a Chat forum but what do people chat about, is it just about how much pain we are in and that nothing works or things work and go off, If somebody brings in information on Diet or new supplement or even book about how things helped them and they want to share this with others where is harm done. No one is forcing anyone to buy and sell things on this forum and I hardly think posting a link is advertising to sell unless it convinces someone enough to do their own research to buy it.

This is a Forum to chat and give support and to understand and share information with each other because we only know how we feel and how others who suffer feel.

Saying not allowed is harsh and dismissing everything linked to word CURE is very dismissive.

I'm sorry but I feel any information to Help us should be welcome on this Forum.
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: Sean

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Hi Suz

I am possibly one of the more open minded on here - regarding weird cures including diet changes - but I try to reconcile any claim back to recorded science.

Sometimes however even when I see the science I have to question it - I haven't read the book but did go to amazon to read the many glowing reviews.

I then followed up on Pete's suggestion for Reliv - which are supplements that rely heavily on Soya proteins. Especially one called lunasin. (Which they claim is an amino acid)

The science for safety of soya proteins is completely split - but with my vote falling on it not being a miracle cure for this thing that and the other - including ladies issues. Rather that they are dangerous and introduced against the advice of FDA scientist that resigned when mass soya was allowed in to the food chain.

The Reliv supplements that Pete has mentioned are probably associated with the book - and are some sort of viral marketing.

that is what I see happening here - links and information yes I agree with you - but direct marketing and advertising no.

Given that the book is so short and actually still quite pricey - why doesn't Pete just summarise the information for free - which is what I would do if I ever write a book.

Youtube is full of people offering cures - but demanding money - whereas some like Barbara Alllen give you the low down on their tretments and cure and then offer the book as a reference and guide.


Regards, Sean
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Date: 19.09.2014
From: Sean

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sorry guys just take a look at this.....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1S9NVUXA6TLMU/ref=cm_cr_pr_pdp

This is a link to all the books that another reviewer of Pete's book has "purchased" and "read"..... Look at the dates, the reviews and he titles of the books.... It is laughable......

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to uncover something fishy... These are a fake network of reviewers and reviews!

Even if the information is OK (as I believe heavily that diet plays a role) - Personally I think it is criminal to creat false reviews for books... This same link is posted on arthritis information sites around the world, along with links to his Alzheimer's and Cancer books.... He is set to make 10s perhaps 100s of thousands of pounds.
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Date: 20.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sean, thanks for that link. Perhaps you should report it to Amazon. Your research skills have to be up there with the best!
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Date: 20.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Jackie and Suz, read Sean's last post and perhaps you will understand why this forum doesn't allow hard sale. WELL DONE SEAN. People like Pete should be ashamed of their selves. See how easily people can become taken in.

Jackie, can I ask you why you never feel welcome on here. I have felt welcome from day one and have always understood that not every one has the same views the same pain or the same treatment.
I class every one on here as friends I have never met.
Take care all and again well done Sean.
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Date: 20.09.2014
From: Suz

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sean

That's great news you have found this person to be doing a dodgy sale and using forums to do this kind of tactic.

But it doesn't mean everyone here who brings some information here is trying to sell and make millions, this were we need to buckle up with the information and find out its authenticity. No can dupe someone to buying something unless someone feels it right for them. I know we CANNOT advertise to sell on here but sharing information is no harm really. I think it makes you someone more wary on what is real and what is false. Change the negative into something positive I say, anyway my opinion everyone has their own thoughts and opinions.

I'm glad Sean your on the ball of finding new information every time no wonder you found this to be dubious.
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Date: 20.09.2014
From: Jackie

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Marlene if you read my posts perhaps you will understand that I am totally against hard selling on this forum and any other site. You ask why I never feel very welcome. Reason is I do agree with Suz in part.I sometimes feel that a few members are a little blinkered and perhaps narrow minded to new treatments or anything not mainstream.
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Date: 20.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Hi Jackie, I don't think any one is narrow minded to new treatments it is just a lot of people on here have had Arthritis of one kind or another for many years. Like myself I have OA and have spent so much money on alternative medicines and nothing has ever worked. I have also purchased books telling me if I live life their way I will be ok. Thirty years later I am still suffering and I might add after surgeries and pain killers life is still difficult.
This forum has been uplifting for me. Sean is so well read and supply's information to us and it is absolutely free. I can shout and whine no one minds.
I also talk about things I do in my daily life. Theatre Cinema out for a meal holidays ect. I can ask for advice about where to go on holiday.
Regardless of what other people think this forum is not just about talking about pain.
Every one has an opinion we might not always agree with it but we are all grown ups on here and don't take it personally. Please always feel able to post on here every one is welcome.
Take care X
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Date: 20.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Jackie,

I'm sorry you don't feel welcome but no forum member is obliged to take on board views about new treatments or anything not mainstream. It's their choice. As Marlene says, people use this forum for a variety of reasons and it's not all about telling people you know best and everyone else is narrow minded and blinkered.
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: Caroline

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I don't think Jackie was telling anyone that she knows best. I have read her posts and she hasn't told anyone she knows best. Perhaps she feels unwelcome because you bsk are such a grumpy old moo and Marlene, well you do come across as a little bit patronising. Its all good though as its what makes your posts so interesting and they do put a smile on my face. Keep it up ladies x
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: Jackie

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Caroline perhaps I should have worded it better, I feel my views on treatment are not welcome on here. I have read some much older posts and there seems to be a pattern. A new member posts an alternative approach to treatment and the same names pop up to shoot it down. No worries,its not the end of the world. Im off to OZ for a couple of months for a much needed holiday so I hope everyone has a very happy Christmas X
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Patronising better than some things I have been called LOL xxx
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Jackie, I'm confused. I've found some threads where you've had discussion about AP therapy and people are interested. Ive also found threads where you and I have discussed things. So I'm not sure why you feel unwelcome. I admit I don't like people insisting on pushing their point of view on others, I don't think you've done that, but some have.

My intolerance is with people posting miracle cures and flogging stuff on here, Caroline. That does irritate me because I think it is taking advantage of people in a vulnerable position and it happens with regularly.
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Morning Bsk are you feeling grumpy today you old moo LOL.
How are you. Just though I'd let you know elbow is feeling so much better. The injections work for me most of the time.

I have been roped in to helping out at the village hall again up early making cakes. Hubby at work so it will break the day up.
It is chilly but the sun is shining this morning.

Take care and have a good day.xx
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Being a grumpy old moo, I would like to point out you are posting this on the wrong thread! Glad you are feeling better and have a lovely day!


p.s. Jackie, have a fab trip.
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I was just sharing!!!

Jackie have a good trip to oz and enjoy your stay
Take care. x
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Ah, well done. xx
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: martlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Posted on other thread as well xx
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Date: 21.09.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I wasn't telling you to put in on the other thread, Marlene, I genuinely thought you'd done it by mistake! I would like our thread to be more open to other people, if they want to post. Maybe they don't, of course!
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Date: 06.10.2014
From: George Stefanopoulos

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

This book was great! Just another alternative. Herbs and Vitamins are known to help arthritis and many other health concerns. I recommend checking it out. We, the society, do not eat enough healthy items to eliminate many of our health concerns. I find nothing wrong in a person promoting his or her book.
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Date: 06.10.2014
From: George Stefanopoulos

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I used to have arthritis and I just ate a herbal and a certain vitamin diet and I completely healed my problems. Obviously some arthritis is worse than others.
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Date: 06.10.2014
From: bsk

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

George, there is nothing wrong with someone promoting their book. However, not on here as it breaches the rules of the forum.

Did you know there are more than 200 kinds of arthritis?
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Date: 07.10.2014
From: George Stefanopoulos

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

That's crazy.....I hope everyone heals their pain. Book promoting is great to get the word out. I understand if there are rules for the site.
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Date: 07.10.2014
From: Sean

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

George

The book might be OK - and it herbs might people but my concern is that the way the book is promoted.

The author Peter Samonis - AKA Petros Samaris (I found his facebook page)

On his facebook page Petros Samaris belongs to a facebook group where Amazon authors give reviews on eachothers books. The reviews on Amazon are fake and hurried! Some of the reviewers that has reviewed this book had reviews 20 books in two days!

I do not trust people that operate in this way - and I do not trust this book!

There are better books to buy that will help arthritis more. IMHO.
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Date: 07.10.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I echo Bsk once more. Well said Sean. I won't say any more!!!!
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Date: 07.10.2014
From: George

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Firstly, this is entirely racist. One Greek guy is not another. I researched it too and they are actually different people. I believe if you email or Facebook this two men and you will see that each have a different Facebook pages. As a Greek myself and a person living in Europe, there is nothing wrong with promoting a book. Just not on the website. Let's talk about more serious issues like arthris. If you want to talk about this subject to him. Just email him. There are herbs that help certain diseases, it is scientifically proven. If you any concerns, ask a doctor near by.
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Date: 07.10.2014
From: George

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sean, on the reviews, they are all spread apart as I can see. There is nothing fishy about the reviews. I would be more concerned if the reviews were together all at once. Well you can argue what you want. I hate people attack books that they assume that the book has the wrong information. There is no reason to destroy a book because you wouldn't like if someone did it to you. Let's talk about arthritis. Your opinion is completely respected.
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Date: 07.10.2014
From: rhona

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Racist? what in any of the posts are racist, George? I am confused. I think Sean is right in telling us of his findings and I think most people on hear know that Sean is well read and wouldn't post anything that he wasn't sure of.

I am pleased that you have found the book so helpful for you but some of us believe it takes more than a book or some herbs to cure us.
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: George

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Rhona,

I am well read also and I have read a lot of books. I have two rooms full of books. When reading a topic, you read many opinions and accumulate your own opinions. I read many books, articles or blogs about different topics and I never post anything demeaning for anyone's book. No book is completely bad. Some people need to be explained the book's reasoning. It is like explaining and constructing an argument a masters or thesis paper. I do not like it when people mock a book. They did not have to buy it. Sean writes his opinion but he demeans someone else. What goes around comes around.
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Oh Dear how naughty George to pull the racist card. You should be ashamed of your self!!!!!!!
There is enough rubbish going on around the world without your silly comment.
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: Sean

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Dear Mr. Samaris

I am not attacking the book or the information that the book might contain and I am certainly not a racist. It is purely the way you are trying to market this book.

When you first posted on here I simply searched for other books published by Pete Samonis. I then searched for your book on Alzheimer's came up on YOUR Facebook page.

I notice that you have wisely tightened your Facebook security to friends only. I also notice that most of the Amazon reviews have disappeared, only 3 left - where did they go?

I thank you for opening my eyes to the practice of Verified and Unverified Author Review Exchanges. As I will now always look at Amazon reviews in a completely different light. This might seem like a misdemeanour but to falsify or exchange free quick reviews with other authors just seems flatly wrong.

I wish you well with your revised marketing strategy - I am sure if your books do cure people from arthritis, Alzheimer's and cancer then we will be hearing more about you in the future.
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: George

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Sean, you need to read this.
http://www.relivkalogrisfoundation.org/MY/EN/DrTedsStory.html

There is cure for everything with patience and love to God. Dr.kalogris is known for cures. Look, the world never tells you the truth. We need to read a bunch of materials to find the truth. Nothing in the world is written in stone. Even the word of God is hidden in this world. The only God has the solutions for any problems but we believe that we are smarter than him. If you have an issue with Mr. Samaris Facebook him. I see your concerns with verified and non verified reviews but we don't know actually if he is doing it. You are assuming. It seems you are an educated man and I'm sure Amazon probably and I hope has a system evaluating the reviews. BTW I like debating...lol
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: Sean

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

George - more than happy to debate...I have evidence here..... no assumptions!

https://m.facebook.com/HotFreeEbooks/posts/10152350133216453

Same facebook name - same author...

This took me 2 minutes to find!

https://m.facebook.com/SweetFreeBooks/posts/10152357182211453


...and there are Facebook groups such as -

- Kindle Promotion

- Book Promotion Ideas

- Book Promotion and Links

- Author Book Giveaway Promotion Share Exchange

BTW - I'm not religious :)- Just to reiterate I am a diet follower for arthritis myself and funnily enough we have common ground because I do think we are told the full truth. Referring to your Reliv link (and DrTed) -I also take lots of minerals for my arthritis - including Magnesium. I will look with an open mind... but Reliv looks like a huge Multi - layer Pyramid Marketing with "believiers" 60,000 + selling their products on behalf of a big corporation creaming in huge profits!

Is it a scam? With 60,000+ sellers then there must be enough profits for them to provide better published evidence - as to the efficacy of the multiviatmin / minerals that they are selling. I will look further as I have an interest in nutrition. Why dont they publish the ingredients for Reliv?

All this talk promotes the subject and book more - so I will leave others to decide.
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: marlene

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

You are absolutely right Sean!!
George you leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Racist allegation and now Religion????
So I will also leave others to decide.
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Date: 08.10.2014
From: Bit Cranky

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

if someone has nothing better to say on this topic other than repeating what others have already, should really butt out.. lol
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Date: 09.10.2014
From: Art

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I love George! honestly, I just bought the book and it is not bad. Sean, who cares if this guy promoted his book. Maybe that is what this guy does for a living. Who knows! lol Maybe like George said, we should read this article: http://www.relivkalogrisfoundation.org/MY/EN/DrTedsStory.html

It is an amazing doctor who created a cure for everything. I actually read some of the testimony. Religion is great. Religion has been part of our society since the beginning of time. I hope you all have a nice day.
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Date: 09.10.2014
From: double cranky

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Bit Cranky, maybe you should practice what you preach.
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Date: 09.10.2014
From: Doubtful Thomas

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Religion can be dangerous....look what's happening in the world with the evil fanatical Isis or whatever the call themselves.
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Date: 09.10.2014
From: Sensible Sam

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

Where did all this rubbish come from. I suggest this particular thread should END right here.
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Date: 09.10.2014
From: Suz

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

ISIS has got nothing to do with religion they are just corrupted people.

Every one has a opinion, why can't everyone respect one and other on this forum!
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Date: 09.10.2014
From: doubting Thomas

Subject: Re: A new book on arthritis

I beg to differ Sue, Isis has a lot to do with religion but that is not the topic here.
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