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Date: 19.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: TRINA... please read....

Hi Trina,

Although I believe this site was originally set up for individuals to support each other in our locality, it has proved to be of benefit to many more country wide.

I have read here for years and also see that the poster 'Jill' has given much time and support of many here, for quite a while. Which is also good for herself & others.


BUT... I do not believe anyone should receive posts like the following...


"SKY shutttup will ya ffs.....im not in charge of this frigging site, my point is(and Y im explaining this to U i will never know) is taht I wldnt IGNORE TRACEY!!! get it??? goood, now pisss off and dont talk to me Sky who ever ya r!!!or is it a m8 of Traceys?? I dont give a f\***K, cant stand Idiots, and your one of em....plus your ignorant!!!! re read my post, actually I have every right to sday I wont turn anyone away....becos I can choose who the heck I wannna talk to and who I dont!!!!! and that was what I was getting acrosss to'Tracey'....god ya thick!!!!"


Is this really the kind of reply a person should expect from this site?

Totally intimidating, rude and very unnessary.

This is not the first time I have read such rudeness to posters from her, especially when the poster disagree's with Jill's point of view!

Very, very unwelcoming should I have been a new poster seeking support.


To Jill... You appear to give a lot of helpful advice to others, from the experience you have gained through your own illnesses & conditions. It is obvious that you have helped many here.

So why behave in such a rude way? It is not me who is ignorant.

This is not your site. Nor do you have ANY RIGHT to say who or indeed what content people can post here.


May everyones pain be manageable today...and remember... We are all here for the same reason arent we?
Sky.
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Date: 19.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

... another nice message...


Subject: Re: Warning re claiming for DLA!

"oooh c I havnt had a reply from the Mysterious'Sky'...Hmmm wonder y? know its not a newbie, been in here long enuff to know Newbies dont react like that....guess its a coward that wont reveal 'its' name. or the Usual name 'it'goes by...lets c....Guts or not guts...... reveal who ya r!! "
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Date: 19.04.2010
From: TO TRINA FROM JILL

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Sky.....U insulted me first.....its there for everyone to see, even Trina!....U implied that I owned ther site!! tht was indeed a very poor insight from a person I havnt even seen in here b4!....... All of us in here help, supoort, give tips, and try and help each others mental emotional issues in here, U WERE NOT DOING THAT AT ALL!!!!

Trina in my defense, I have given a lot to this site, I had emergency sugery other day, and Yet, I still contacted the members on this forum, s they were genuinely concerend, as I would be about them!!........I think I know who this person is....someone mb from the past that wasd a complete Twit!!...... I am Not going to apologise to to 'Sky' becos she began the argument, I just finished it off!!...Also Trina as u r well aware, I do behave myself, unless there is a Nitwit upsetting me on Purpose and she did........I am involve3d in Your Forum to do exactly what its meant to be.....Helpful, supportive, and also cheerful...... I get on with everyone on this site, and the others do me...... the only person that has a Problem is this Person, Ive been in this forum coming up to years, I felt entitled to have a go at the daft woman that was suggesting I Own this site!"!!!! that in itself is Offensive...... Also 'Sky; is saying to me that....quote......This is not your site. Nor do you have ANY RIGHT to say who or indeed what content people can post here.

Trina 'Sky' is totally contradicting herself, she TOLD me that I think I own the site, well sadly for me, I see that as a person that isnt in the same boat as us members, becos she wld NOT have attacked me in the way she did, when I was replying to Traceys POsting!!!! so she stuck her nose in to cause Ill feeling, aggravation, and all of us get Odd BOds in here, as well U know, but I think I can calmly say I am Not on of them!!!!!!.....Trina I have said my bit, I do hope u reply, I also am in contact with many of the members via facebook, and I know that I contribute to this forum, becos of my own personal experiences but also becos im kind, considerate and like to support ppl that r suffering, Obviously 'SKY' doesnt need that support or she wld NOT have had a go at me causing Ill feeling......think she is a tad jelos perhaps, becos Ive never known that name and ive asked others too, who the heck is she to go around sending stooopid comments to Members that make a massive contribution to Your Forum Trina.... I feel worthy of staying on this forum, and I have enjoyed helping others and also gaining support from my other memebers who I regards as friends......hope u see it from my point of view, and I do try and keep the trouble makers out, becos I RESPECT YOUR FORUM....


Message to Sky......DO NOT POST any comment to me at all, U will be ignored, and U know Y!!! I dont beleive for a minute that u r unwell, ppl in our position dont go around insulting members, particularly ones that we dont even know or heard of b4!!! Because we do not have the energy for it, and we dont need it emotionally either! thats Y I know your causing trouble.....Goodbye!!!
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Date: 19.04.2010
From: Kirstine

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Right now i am new on here and feel i should say something... I could not care less who called who what or how this all started, but this from my point of view it is becomming very childish. Why, as so called adults, cant everyone stop nit picking over every last f***ing detail and use this site, instead of for arguing, but for supporting eachother through the awful diseases we are all suffering!
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Date: 19.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Absolutely Kirstine, couldnt agree more.
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Date: 20.04.2010
From: jill

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Kristine ya very right, that was my whole point! U r very new on here, ive made u welcome, and hope to gete to know u better as time goes on, But the other members that have been in here for years, months, also Know me, and know me very well, so like I told the one that caused all this, that I intend to
IGNORE any more commnets!! ive saidf my bit, and rember I did NOT start this......ŽIve got enufff crap going on, dont need someone that i dont even know cause crap to me and the Forum.....so Kristine, thanks for saying what U did, lets hope this is the end of it!!! one more thing Krisitne, if u look over the last few months of posts in here, there is no arguing!!! havnt been since an odd bod caused so much crap in here, he had to get removed!!!...like I said b4, I intend to ignore.

Kristine, know ya new here, can u remind me the type of issues u r having,soz ive been away, had surgery, and dont have the energy to go rattling thru all the posts...r u on MTX etc? or hoping to, there is another gal called Kristine from Iceland, that was y I aksed U other day if it was u, waanted to know how she was getting on over there, im from East Sussex, andf your from Northumberland, I remembe that bit LOLOL....anyway, Welcome and heres to a good friendship

Tc Jill x

Katrina
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Date: 20.04.2010
From: Verity

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Sky, whats with the little one liner snipey comments? I agree with Jill. You totally provoked her on purpose! And then complaining?! What sort of mission are you on? Jill has enough going on in her life without having her 'safe place' ruined by someone that just wants to cause trouble.
Like Kirstine said, we're here to support each other and thats not what youve been doing. To be honest, I dont remember any posts or support from you until you had a go at Jill.
Sorry but Im not gonna stand by and watch a friend of mine get stitched up.
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Date: 20.04.2010
From: KayJay

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

My Son tells me that " Trolls " patrol forum's and start " Flame Wars " on a purpose just for the hell of it ? How Sad ?

Jill and Verity just ignore them.
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Date: 20.04.2010
From: Lynn B

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Hi all I dont want to sound like a know it all,I have been coming on this forum for about 5 months, and i have never talked to more sincere thourtful kind loverly people as you lot on here.You jill are one of the main people who goes out of there way to welcome, reasure,help with meds, docs,rheumys, benefits,"Totaly concernd" about each and every one who comes on this forum and i for one am truly grateful for all the support you have given me love yas loads xxx
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: jill

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

wow im blushihg here.......thanks guys, the support has been great, the person u see write, is the real me, i dont pretend to be anyone else, But if i twit comes on here and provokes me, sadly I lose it....., becos I hate gettting shate on...and Sky did that, who ever she is....like Verity said, who the heck is she, not seen her here b4....anyway...thanks guys ya support is everything to me, and ya right, this is out safe place Verity xxx.....
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

and so the playground antics continue! lol


I originally wrote one comment that ended in an exclamation mark... most people would of taken that as exactly how it was intentended... but no!

Jill chose to respond by immediately swearing at me etc. THAT is why I chose to complain as this kind of behaviour is not ethical to forum rules & behaviours.

Since then Jill (although stating that she will ignore any further communication from me & end of matter.) Ok, I thought. But no, she chose to go for some kind of sympathy 'post/vote' as to whether she should stay or leave the site...

What the hell is all that about???? Why on earth should you leave????

I have since read numerous digs in posts about me. Whom she(& now also a couple of other posters that have decided to joined in) perceive about me.

You are all so totally wrong in your perception of me and I am definitely 100% not a troll! lol.

You couldn't be further from the truth.

Why on earth would a troll acknowledge your excellent support & experience to others on here Jill? I also wrote that in my previous post. Although that bit appears to be totally over looked by the loud few.
This should show that I wasn't just having a random pop and that I have had close links with this site for a long time... longer than you in actual fact. Not that this matters or indeed should it at all. As I said in my last post we are all effected by our conditions and we all need support.


Thanks for all of your support! (by the way... that IS supposed to be a joke! lol)
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: KayJay

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

I never accused ANYONE of being a Troll ????? Just merely pointed out what can sadly happen in the big old Internet World. Only trying to help peeps ;0)

ANYWAY does anyone else with RA have trouble sleeping and feeling soooo tired all the time please ?
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Verity

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Hey Sky, unfortunately sarcasm doesn't come across as humorous when you type it in one liner comments. You should know that by now if youve used forums for so long. I think a bit of common sense is needed here and maybe a second thought before you post comments like that in the future.

What were you intending to acheive by making a complaint? The only obvious explanation would be that you wanted Jill punished and the only way that could happen would be if she was banned from the site. So although I agree its all got out of hand, I don't think youre doing yourself any favours here.

Take care
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Trina

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Hi all,

I've been very busy the last week or so and haven't managed to get on to the forum as much as I would have liked. Sorry got no time today but will go through everything as soon as I have time.

I know it's difficult (probably impossible) for everyone to get on well all the time - just as in real life! but surely it is possible to keep the posts, if not friendly at least neutral? I'm not a fan of people swearing and using personal insults on here as it looks bad to new visitors to the site and it really doesn't help sort out differences of opinion anyway.

I love the way people feel about this forum and how it has grown into a great place to find help and support. I didn't want it to be bogged down with rules and regulations but I guess we have to figure out a way of keeping it from being a place where people hurl abuse at each other! To be honest I'm not completely sure how best to monitor posts without being heavy handed about it. Should I just delete posts with swearing? Should I let it go for a bit then delete whole threads? Hummm I shall have a think and will get back to you.

Any suggestions gratefully received - I feel this site belongs to us all who use it so maybe we can all pitch in with ideas about how to sort it out? Let me know what you think.
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Jill

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Trina....ya right, I was wrong to be offensive in language that I used and unfair to the fab members we have! I take acknowledgement from what U have suggested, and I will refuse to talk to such ppl if I shall come across them again....it is true, it does Not look good, and I want to apologise to all the gang in here that ha to read my reply to the person that caused it to begin with!...... Ive done a lot for this forum and feel proud being part of it, I will continue to be helpful(usually I am) with nice members that expect a good polite forum, and with support, and care, I also get that great support when I need it...I apologise to u directly, no excuse for my daft language, however, i had only just come out of surgery(like I said no excuse) so will go by the rules in future, and refuse to let the people that are not genuine to wind me up...... I will continue to be as supportive to everyone, as the others also r, and ignore any Odd bods I come across... thanks for the post

Jill
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Hi Trina,

Its all so pathetic really and not worth your energy trawling back posts. I certainly have been amazed though, by the juvenile reactions that have been aimed at me. Most of the basis of this appears to be because 'they' dont 'know' who I am! lol

My main reason for the complaint still stands and is something I see you have mentioned in your post...
"people swearing and using personal insults on here as it looks bad to new visitors to the site"

Luckily I am not a new visitor/reader, although they didnt know that at the time.

Anyway, sorry for the complaint Trina and see you next month.

Sky x
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Jill... we were obviously posting at the same time.

Will you stop it.

I am not an 'oddball'. Who the hell do you think you are. Now I am cross. Just stop with the jibes will you.
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Verity... thankyou for your advice. I ALWAYS think before I write.

Please just drop this
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Jill

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

LOL...sky Please get over this! what I dont get is y ya hiding under a diff name,. then maybe we wls all know who u r......but still the prob remains....I made a comment to Tracey... and U Attacked my comment, saying I dint own the site!! I know full well who Owns the site, TRINA!!...and
I respect her!, seeing as You know Trina, then You really should have known better than to attack a known member.....Drop it now Sky, cos u r making yaself look a bit daft!! Ive promised Trina and also apologised for the swearing on a post and will no longer do that, i dont usually do that, and dont intend to again, im bored with all this, but U seem to keeep it going......YAwn
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Jill

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Sky just for your info.....u know more than anyone Oddbods come and go in here, I wasnt referring to u as such OK....that was Most definately NOT a personal attack on U ok.......I think U r feeling guilty and now picking Up on everything.....PLEASE Stop all this....Its U that is trying to have the last say!....I sent Tring a message in response to her Post, I told her my intentions, I explained I was wrong to use bad language, and I told Trina I wont do it again.....what else do U want from me??? please let it go for the sake of this fab Forum, and Trina

regards Jill
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Sorry misread.

Please do not refer to me as 'Odd bods'/'such people'

I deserve the same respect as any other member here

Thank you
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: jill

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Eh?? u said U misread? then y write.....Please do not refer to me as 'Odd bods'/'such people'

Telll U what Sky, as U like the last word I will let U have it......yes u do deserve the same respect in here as others, SO DID I, but u didnt give me that did u.....anyway bored with that, forgotten it....wish u wld tho........I await your last word on this, and then PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE let it drop!!
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Trina

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Hi Sky - I have absolutely no idea who you are! No one called Sky comes to our monthly group...

The other thing I'm not keen on is people playing games with their identity on here. I have no problems with people using nicknames to identify themselves but it's not a great idea to use a variety of names especially to disguise yourself.

I'm not going to try to guess who you are and I really can't get drawn into this discussion.
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: Sky

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

Sorry Trina, have sent you an email
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Date: 21.04.2010
From: kirstine

Subject: Re: TRINA... please read....

OMG GIVE UP! am sick of hearing about this. SKY... just stop commenting...You started this up again no one else by commenting about "playground antics". Why not b the bigger person you see yourself to be and just LET IT GO! there are far more important things to worry about in this life.
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