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Date: 14.03.2015
From: Eleanor Young

Subject: Osteoarthritis I think

Approx 10 years ago I came down with unbelievable pain in my right groin, every move I tried to make was unbearable, I went to emergency doctor who did not know what was wrong so sent me to the hospital, all this took so long due to the fact I couldn't move due to the pain. Finally made it to the hospital and got an x-ray, the radiologist informed me she could see the beginning of arthritis in my right hip, beginning I thought to myself, surely this pain could get no worse. However the doctor at the hospital told me that evening my x-ray was fine, my trust went spiralling down with doctors due to that comment. Why can't they be honest. Over the years since then I have not had an attack like that first one on the right side since but I do still get the groin pain but not to the same extent as the first, however my right knee is not good, it swells, feels like broken glass in knee when I have a flare up, feels like the blood is being cut off and is painful and uncomfortable. I am unable to lie on my right side as my hip is uncomfortable and very tender. I have since had a further x-ray which shows moderate osteoarthritis. Over the years of having had twinges in the left groin but took naproxen and pain killers and it has eased off, however Monday gone as the day wore on the pain became so bad it ended up like the first time on my right side. I had actually forgot how debilitating the pain could be. The pain was way past 100 level. I have had another x-ray and awaiting the results. What I do notice besides the limp having the effect on my back which I have suffered for past 20+ years due to a fall is the days after the major attack is the feeling as if I have been badly beaten up, round my bottom and knee, my calf feels like I have had a major cramp and this is still ongoing since the initial flare up 6 days ago. I am 61 and fed up. I went to my Dr a number of months ago to discuss all the aches and pains in the various parts of my body, and believe me when I say I try not to visit the doctors often as I know what the outcome will be, but on this appt she gave me information Active For Life, which as someone who was a gymnast in her younger days knows all about fitness, I was not examined at all and the appointment took all of 5 mins. If the doctors we visited suffered this pain I am sure they would be more sympathetic to our needs. I just want b to know if other suffers have the same type of pain.
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Date: 16.03.2015
From: lucy

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Eleanor, It does sound like osteoarthritis that you have and it is good that you have had an x-ray. It sounds like the pain you are having is coming from the hip. I had a fall 6 weeks ago and had to have a hip operation and am having pain in the groin area just now. I have noticed pain at the bottom of my back and I know it is because of the way I am walking at the moment.
Swimming is meant to be good and would put less strain on you. If things get to bad they can give you a hip replacement. I only had a half hip done and have read getting the full hip done has better results.
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Date: 18.03.2015
From: Jennifer Hume

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I was wondering if anyone with osteoarthritis have been on antibiotics and noticed the difference it can make to knee pain and other aches and pains.I was on antibiotics after having hysterectomy op and before that i was having knee pain up and down my leg and couldnt walk properly at all,after the op i could walk loads better but then after a while the pain came back.im sure its got something to do with antibiotics but wonder if it is how long can you be on antibiotics.has anyone had this happen to them?
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Date: 18.03.2015
From: Lois

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Jennifer, I have noticed that antibiotics seem to help and when I take steroids for my Asthma I have nigh on pain free days. Although they don't recommend steroids for OA. I had an old GP who noticed in lots of his patients it helped but wasn't allowed to prescribe it for OA.

It might be worth talking to your GP I would be curious as to what he/she might say.

Take care
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Date: 26.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi,

I have to be honest and admit that I am on here to plug a book that I recently translated. I sincerely believe that I can add something to this particular discussion though so I hope you won't mind me chipping in.

To Eleanor Young. Please read the book. It is currently $2.99 or £1.99 in Kindle on Amazon as an introductory offer to get the book known. I personally do not believe that doctors have any answers for any of these so called diseases of civilization (but that is another story - don't get me started LOL). This book may well be the answer you looking for. I won't give a long description of the book because I have already posted about it on here. Here is a link to the book on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/prevent-reverse-diseases-Seignalets-miracle-ebook/dp/B00TMFAHXO/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427401427&sr=1-1&keywords=seignalet

To Jennifer Hume and Lois I can tell you what Dr. Seignalet's view was on this. He thought that most degenerative diseases start with a leaky gut and devised a diet to heal the gut. He found that patients with these diseases went into remission as their gut healed while on the diet. His premise was that when junctions between the cells of the intestine become loose, molecules of undigested food and bacteria can escape from the gut into the bloodstream and your genetic predisposition and the nature of the molecules themselves will determine what kind of disease you develop. According to Seignalet (pronounced "Saynalay") osteoarthritis is what he calls a "clogging disease" where the molecules penetrate cells of tissues and cell interstices with a resultant lessening of normal function of the tissues in question. When the gut heals these molecules will be eliminated and the progression of the disease is halted. Unfortunately, already damaged tissue is not affected by the diet.

He called Rheumatoid Arthritis an auto immune disease so no surprise there. However, according to Seignalet it should really be called a zeno-immune disease as the immune system is NOT attacking the body's own tissue but rather the foreign molecules or peptides in the cells and interstices.
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Date: 26.03.2015
From: nat

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Why are you plugging your book ?
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"Why are you plugging your book ?"

>>>1. Because I believe in the book. I do not receive royalties and am not being paid to publicize it - I received a one off payment to translate it. I actually approached the authors to ask if I could translate it.

2. Because I believe our civilization is headed for the abyss unless we wake up and realise that you cannot eat just any old rubbish with impunity and that synthetic drugs only make things worse and serve only to make some billionaires (most of whom live in New York) richer.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I forgot to reply to the main point which led me to post here:

Lois said:
" I have noticed that antibiotics seem to help and when I take steroids for my Asthma I have nigh on pain free days. Although they don't recommend steroids for OA. I had an old GP who noticed in lots of his patients it helped but wasn't allowed to prescribe it for OA."

Seignalet says that both steroids and antibiotics damage the lining of the gut wall, so if Seignalet's theory that the cause of athritis (all types) as well as most other diseases is a leaky gut, it follows that taking steroids and antibiotics will only lead to a worsening of your condition in the long run.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

If that's the case then why does Thomas Borody ( Dr who discovered stomach ulcers were caused by bacteria ) prescribe antibiotics to eradicate the disease ? And is currently developing a triple antibiotic to treat RA and many other forms of so called auto immune disease ?
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Ella,

Dr. Seignalet said that a well chosen antibiotic can save your life. However, there is no doubt that frequent and chronic use of antibiotics can cause disbiosis because the antibiotics kill the beneficial bacteria in the gut. Seignalet said that overuse of antibiotics leads to a vicious spiral whereby more and more antiobiotics are used.

As an amateur naturopath I would add that the most effective treatment for stomach ulcers is fresh, raw cabbage juice. Look it up on pubmed.

Has Doctor Borody effected any long term remissions of auto immune diseases with his triple antibiotic? Seignalet put the overwhelming majority of arthritis sufferers into remission with his diet. Buy the book and look up the table of results.

Finally, there is not necessarily any dichotomy between Dr. Borody's theories and Dr. Seignalet's. I am only a health nut and amateur naturopath so not really qualified to pit one against the other.

I suggest buying the book and making your own mind up.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Professor Tom Borody was the gastroenterologist responsible for developing the first antibiotic therapy for ulcers and is now working on RHB 104 at Redhill Biopharma. In 2005 Robin Warren and Barry Marshall were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for their discovery of Helicobacter Pylori and the role it plays in causing peptic ulcers. RHB 104 a triple antibiotic is already being used in the treatment of Crohns. Thanks for the info about the book but I think the majority of people on this forum are pretty well read already on the role of diet and the part it plays in these diseases and most information is readily available online.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Ella,

No doubt Professor Tom will become extremely rich from his RHB 104.

Here are Seignalet's results for Crohn's disease:

Number of patients: 72
Full remissions: 62
90% improvements: 2
50% improvements: 7
Failures: 1

Seignalet called this a 99% success rate.

Do you think Professor Borody can match those results with his triple antibiotics? Is Professor Borody giving the patients megadoses of prebiotics with the antibiotics? If not, I suspect that patients taking RHB 104 may see some short term improvements but will find themselves taking more and more of the drugs with more and more ailments appearing.

Given the choice between changing my diet and taking megadoses of drugs for the rest of my life, I know which I would choose.

Re: "most information is readily available online". I'm sure that there is plenty of information online. I have been writing my own book for the last 3 years so make extensive use of the pub med database as you no doubt do yourself. There are many dubious articles on there however IMO and although "skimming" can be very useful, sometimes you just have to get hold of a book and read it very carefully and digest the contents properly.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Just to add (no edit function on here):

I meant to say: is Professor Borody giving megadoses of PROBIOTICS (and prebiotics) with his antibiotics?

Cheers Chris
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I think you need to do a little research on Professor Borody, he actually infected himself with the Pylori bacteria on purpose , treated himself with a course of antibiotics and cured a self induced peptic ulcer. If it has made him rich then good luck to him, there are plenty of billionaires on this planet that have made their fortunes in less honourable ways.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Ella,

I know all about Professor Borody's cure for ulcers. I also know that for another 15 years or so, doctors continued to prescribe Zantac.

I know that he is a hero to some people. Excuse me if I am not all that impressed. There was a perfectly good existing cure for ulcers, fresh raw cabbage juice. If I had an ulcer I would choose the cabbage juice every time.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Oh well then in that case you must already know that Professor Borody is an unpaid member of Redhills advisory board . You will also be aware of his extensive research into Fecal Bacteriotherapy which involves repopulating the gut with beneficial bacteria.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"Oh well then in that case you must already know that Professor Borody is an unpaid member of Redhills advisory board ."

>>>No I didn't. Should I care? Who are "Redhills"?

"You will also be aware of his extensive research into Fecal Bacteriotherapy which involves repopulating the gut with beneficial bacteria."

>>>This sounds like the stuff that Hitler's quack doctor was giving him to cure his digestive problems from eating too many beans. It was made from the poo of young soldiers. (There is a fascinating documentary, still available as far as I know on Channel 4's 4 on demand about Hitler's health problems and how he was made into a human pin cushion by this quack.)

Why bother populating the gut with fecal bacteria when you have perfectly good home made sauerkraut for this purpose which gives you this triple whammy

1. High in vitamin c which is made more bioavailable during the fermenting process.

2. The miraculous antibiotic and alimentary canal healing properties of cabbage.

3. Trillions of benefical bacteria swimming about in their own biocin aka known as lactic acid. (A biocin is what a species of bacteria excretes and the biocin from sauerkraut is toxic to harmful bacteria.)

So why bother reconstructing an inferior wheel. By the way, Hitler did get some relief from his problems with the soldiers' poo medication - I can't remember what it was called. But IMO he would have done better with sauerkraut and laying off the beans.

By the way Ella, you would not be a PR for Redhills would you?
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

No Chris I am not a PR for Redhill , I am just a well read and informed person, like many others here on this forum. Are you a member of the cabbage marketing board ?
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"Are you a member of the cabbage marketing board ?"

Touch! LOL

I really should be on some sort of commission I think. Or perhaps I should get Redhills to pay a couple of million dollars into a Swiss bank account on condition that I keep my mouth shut from now on.
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

That should be TOUCHÊ!

(This board does not like French accents - it is reproducing my accent aigu as circumflex).
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Date: 27.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Just a little word of caution Chris , consuming large amounts of cabbage can have a detrimental effect on some blood thinning drugs, due to high vitamin K content. I also remember once reading that cabbage can cause hypothyroidism. Best to eat a whole spectrum of foods that heal the gut rather than just sticking to one.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Yes. Cabbage contains goitrogens which block the uptake of iodine. Not much of a problem with sauerkraut because the fermentation process diminishes the goitrogens and anyway you only need a tablespoonful with a meal to get the beneficial effects. It could be more problematic if you are drinking cabbage juice daily for an ulcer. You would need to monitor your iodine intake and uptake (there is a skin test you can do) and probably eat some kind of seaweed for extra iodine.

Re: blood thinning drugs - I personally would not take them. I would make shiitake tea instead. Same effect but with a natural substance and with added beneficial effects.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I don't believe shitake tea would've have saved my husbands life when he was diagnosed with deep vein thrombosis, aged just 27. It came on fast and sudden and he would've died. Be careful when you start dismissing all other forms of medicine and treatments. I realise you have a book to sell but you shouldn't be doing it on this forum. You don't sound as if you know enough about these subjects in the first place, you said yourself you are unqualified. I for one will not be purchasing your miracle book.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I like the unaffiliated nature of this forum and I like the fact that some people on here are very knowledgeable about alternatives to medication. I will keep posting on here as long as I can.

However, I don't expect that to be very much longer because my views are not acceptable to those in power in medicine and I expect that pressure will be brought to bear fairly soon on the organizers of this forum to have me banned.

So I urge you once again to buy the Seignalet book.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Just one more thing. Dr. Jean Seignalet was what the French call an enseignant-chercheur, a maitre de conference. In other words a Professor of Medecine. He did ground breaking research and was a pioneering expert on Human Leukocyte Antigens among other things.

The guide to his book was written by his daughters, one of whom is a doctor.

My views are my own and not necessarily those of the Seignalet family.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

You will not be banned from this forum because of your views on alternative medicines, this forum is open to everyone. There are plenty of people on here that report that they have had wonderful results using conventional, alternative, diet, AP, all forms of different treatments. Everyone should do what they think or feels works best for them. Your views and beliefs are valid and I agree that diet is a vital part of the jigsaw in treating these diseases, what I do not agree with is your dismissal of all other treatments, its a very negative and blinkered attitude to have. The self promotion of your book is unacceptable and the mixed reviews on Amazon are hardly an enticement to buy your book. I also very much doubt that you will be causing any sleepless nights to those in the pharmaceutical industry.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"the mixed reviews on Amazon are hardly an enticement to buy your book."

Well thank you for your snide review. I hope you read the book before posting it.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I would've thought one would have to purchase your book first before being able to submit any reviews. If this is not the case then who is to say you didn't post the more positive reviews yourself ?
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"I would've thought one would have to purchase your book first before being able to submit any reviews".

>>>No. You don't have to buy the book first before posting a review as you well know. If you HAVE purchased the book, the mention "Verified Purchase" appears next to your username. No such mention appeared next to your review so it's obvious you did not purchase the book and so could not have read it. In any case, you would not have had time to read it properly in just a couple of days.

For anyone who can read French, here is the original scientific "doorstep" (700 pages with Seignalet's orginal 95 illustrations and 39 diagrams):

http://www.amazon.fr/Lalimentation-troisi%C3%A8me-m%C3%A9decine-Jean-Seignalet/dp/2268074005/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427546982&sr=1-1&keywords=l%27alimentation+ou+la+troisi%C3%A8me+m%C3%A9decine

144 mainly 5 star reviews. Hardly "mixed reviews" is it?

Here is the guide to that book written by Seignalet's daughters which is the book that I translated:

http://www.amazon.fr/Comprendre-pratiquer-r%C3%A9gime-Seignalet-Lalimentation/dp/2755405635/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427552236&sr=1-1&keywords=comprendre+et+pratiquer+le+r%C3%A9gime+seignalet

22 mainly 5 star reviews. "Mixed reviews"? I think not.

Why are you so hostile Ella? I can think of about 10 different scenarios where you might have an agenda to want to discourage people from reading this book. I have been upfront about my agenda. What is yours? This forum is for sufferers of Arthritis is it not? Surely they can read the book and make their minds up for themselves? The book in on Kindle at $2.90 and £1.90. If you don't like the book for whatever reason, Amazon will give you your money back. So if the book is a "get rich quick" scam, it's not a very good one is it?
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

In Seignalet's original book there is a long discussion of the etymology of RA where he discusses various possible triggering factors and predisposing genes. Here is my translation of a paragraph on antibiotic therapy:

"Caperton et al (1990) saw notable improvements over several months with 5 RA patients out of 12 by adminstering to them an antiobiotic: ceftriaxone. Kloppenburg et al (1994), O'Dell et all (2001) prescribed a tetracycline, namely minocycline for at least a year with 35 and 109 patients respectively and 30 patients gained significant benefits by comparison with a placebo control group.

The positive effects of tetracylines disappear when they are injected intravenously (Saint-Claire et al 2001). This suggests that antibiotics taken by mouth have weakened or eradicated an intestinal bacteria. This is also the opinion of Kjeldsen-Kragh et al (1994)"

Cheers Chris

C
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I feel you are on the offensive, and how dare you accuse me of submitting fake reviews ! If you think I was being hostile towards you plugging your book on this forum , then yes you are correct. This forum is for sufferers of chronic diseases and not for people tying to make a quick buck. I really feel that you have shot yourself in the foot ,as anyone reading this "debate " will most likely come to the conclusion that you are desperate to off load this publication you have invested in and in doing so have come across as being quite an unpleasant individual.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Well I'll let other people decide whether I am an unpleasant individual and out to make a quick buck.

It is so patently untrue that it's not worth defending.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Then stop plugging your book on this forum ! Go on You Tube and tell the world abut your book, this is not the place. Lots of other people advertise their publications on You Tube and if you did a Vlog then it would be visual and more lucrative for you. I am sure you are an OK person really but I think you are annoying and should take on board that the people on here, in the whole , are quite intelligent.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I used the word etymology above in an incorrect context. What I meant of course was etiology or pathogenesis. That's what comes of typing things too fast. (Etymology is of course the study of the origin of words).
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I love it when someone gets a google rush and blinds me with science. If it was written correctly with some substance it might make sense.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"Then stop plugging your book on this forum !"

>>>Let me tell you about myself and the book. The Seignalets were unable to find an English language publisher for the book. I believe this is because big money controls publishers and the media. Big money's most profitable businesses are pharmaceuticals, oil, merchant banking, agribusiness and processed foods in roughly that order. (Again, I stress that these are my personal views and not necessarily those of the Seignalet family).

As a French translator and avid health nut and amateur naturopath and sworn enemy of big pharma , when I came across Seignalet I realised that this was the real McCoy.

I approached the Seignalets to translate the main, original book by Dr. Jean Seignalet. They asked me to translate what they called the "petit guide" first. I agreed. I translated the book for (from memory) about £800) in about 10 days. The Seignalet's are not rich. (You get rich from developing drugs, not writing books about how to reverse your disease by diet). So once I had translated the book I set out (at no charge to the Seignalets) to find geeks who would design a cover and produce a version for Amazon createspace and Kindle for a reasonable price. I found my geeks and supervised the production . As anyone who has ever had dealings with geeks will tell you - they can drive you mad and this certainly proved to be the case with this book. I spent 5 times as long trying to get the book produced as I did translating it and the geek charged with producing it took 6 months! I find it hard to believe that formatting the book was more involved or labour intensive than translating it.

So I hope you will see that this has been a labour of love (and hate of big pharma). My only hope and wish is that people will try the diet and put their disease into remission. I believe that big pharma will do everything they can to suppress the book. So I really need all the help I can get.

Please try the diet. Give it enough time to work. Even if you have tried nutritional approaches in the past and not had a remission, try the Seignalet diet. No-one comes close to Seignalet's scientific knowledge, thoroughness and clinical experience with the diet. (You will see when his original doorstep of a book is tranlated what a brilliant mind this was). If you have tried similar diets and not had a total remission, this may be because the diet was slightly flawed. Use Seignalet to correct it.

If you have success with the diet, please spread the word. My email address is in the book. If you don't get the success you hoped for, email me and I promise I will translate and forward your email on to Dr. Dominique Seignalet for her advice.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

You say you are a "sworn enemy of big pharma". Tell me Chris, if there was an Ebola outbreak in Western Europe but there was a proven vaccine to stop it , would you deny yourself treatment because of your hatred towards "the big pharma? "
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I don't have all the answers. As I have said previously I am only a health nut and amateur naturopath. However, many bacteria cannot survive at temperatures only slightly higher than our normal body temperature. The syphilis bacteria for example is killed in vitro at 39 degrees. One of the great scandals of medical science IMO is that no-one (as far as I can ascertain from my research - apart from venereal diseases and this research was done in the 1920s and 30s) has compiled a list of which bacteria are killed at which temperature in vitro. It would be interesting to know at what temperature the Ebola virus is killed in vitro. If it turned out to be something like 39 degrees c or even a degree or two above this, then there is a simple answer: hyperthermia. Even a simple sauna can raise the body's temperature quite easily and safely to 38.5 C. This is quite easily bearable. 39 C is a bit of a push with a normal sauna, but can be achieved. "Proven vaccines". This is a very big subject. First of all, there is not "proven vaccine" against Ebola and I suspect unlikely to be one. Would I risk compromising my health to take such a vaccine? Would I hell!

(Again, I must stress that these are my personal views and not necessarily those of the Seignalet family).
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Just to add:

Megadose vitamin c given as IV will kill most bacterial or viral infections. Dr. Klenner used this with great success against polio from the 1930's through to the 1950's. Suppressed by the simple expedient of making sure that no medical journals would accept a paper from him on this subject.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Ok you win, the penny has finally dropped and I have just realised why I am the only person that has replied to your posts.....you are a complete and utter fruit cake. What you spew is tihsllub and good luck to you. You claim to be a health nut, I think a better self description would be for you drop the word... health. Im sure you will not protest if I copy this whole conversation onto my blog, I think it will provide much amusement.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I own the the copyright to my posts. (There is no disclaimer on this forum to say otherwise as far as I am aware).

I am prepared to give you permission to transcribe them to your blog under the condition that the thread is transcribed verbatim and that you notify me on this thread of your transcription with a hyperlink to your blog. Anything else will result in legal proceedings.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Oh don't talk such rot ! Transcripts MY ARSE !
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Try me!
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Already done Chris, you are proving to be wonderful entertainment.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Interesting. This will feature in my forthcoming book. I trust I have your permission to use your posts?
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Go ahead and use whatever you think will make your book sell. I think my posts are better than yours :)
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Thanks. I will make sure that the thread is transcribed verbatim so it will be fair to yourself.

It will be interesting to link the blog persona and contents with the thread.

I must repeat that I own the copyright to my posts and I give permission for reproduction only on the condition that the thread is reproduced verbatim and that I am notified by a hyperlink to the blog on this thread. If you think that this is an idle threat then I suggest you consult a solicitor.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I suggest that you consult with a shrink.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I do hope that you are not Deliciously Ella. I quite like her blog and what she is doing. Although in my opinion there are some mistakes. Sugar free, yes, good. Except that all the recipes are laden with other kinds of sugar like medjol dates which are soaked in glucose. Also, strictly vegan. I think this is a mistake. There are too many valuable nutrients in animal proteins to pass up on these. See Denise Minger's hilarious tearing to shreds of "The China Syndrome" using Campbell's own date.

Also, much use of nuts and seeds and no apparent knowledge about the anti-nutrients contained in these and how to remove them (See Weston Price Foundation).

Apparently no knowledge of how staples like nuts, seeds, grains and pulses are routinely sterilised using high pressure steam for organic or a carcinogenic solvent for non organic.

As I said, I do hope that you are not Deliciously Ella. I would hate to have to point out how a media darling is such a know all (and know nothing).
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I haven't the faintest idea what of you are on about Chris. Deliciously Ella ? To stop your paranoid quest my real name is Ellandra , I am not delicious (some may contradict) and I am not into nuts ! You are barking up the wrong tree Chris .
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Well that's a relief then. As I said, I quite like Deliciously Ella and if her photos are not airbrushed, she is a bit gorgeous!
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I am gorgeous but I am arthritic and that makes me feel like shit. It also makes me feel like shit when some prat with a new wonder book comes along telling me stuff I already know.
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Date: 28.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Chris , you need some anti-inflammatory medication for your ego. I had to google Deliciouus Ella and do you really think a woman like that would be retorting to your silly comments online ? Get a grip , the only reaction you have mustered is from a 49 year old woman that needs new hips !
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Date: 29.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"I am gorgeous but I am arthritic and that makes me feel like shit. It also makes me feel like shit when some prat with a new wonder book comes along telling me stuff I already know."

>>>Seeing as you know everything, perhaps you would like to enlighten me about what books on nutrition you have actually read and what dietary approaches you have already tried and whether you had some success with them.
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Date: 29.03.2015
From: Peter

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Chris you accused Ella of writing a review without reading your book. You said the book has only just come out and therefore Ella would not have had time to read it. If she hadn't the time to read the book then who left the other two reviews ? Did you write them ?
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Date: 29.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Peter,

you wrote: "Chris you accused Ella of writing a review without reading your book. You said the book has only just come out and therefore Ella would not have had time to read it."

>>>I said that Ella would not have had time to have read it in the couple of days that I have been posting on this thread. (I am assuming that she was not aware of the book before this).

The book has been out for a couple of months now.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 29.03.2015
From: Romeo

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I think Chris and Ella are starting to flirt a bit now. Perhaps they should get a room, sorry I meant get a book. lol
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Date: 30.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Re: the Ebola virus and this is NOT a reply to Ella - I don't really care about her opinions. I think some people might find it interesting.

The Russians have discovered that the Aids, so called "retrovirus" is killed at 44 C according to the researchers. (Some eminent researchers deny that there is any such thing as the Aids virus but that is another BIG subject).

Anyhoo, they claim success in killing the Aids virus by using hyperthermia up to 44 C. Now I have a sauna every day and get my temperature up to 38.5 and let me tell you the last 5/10 minutes of the sauna are quite hard to bear. To be conscious at 44 C would be absolutely unbearable I'm sure. Do high temperatures like this damage the body? My guess is not really. It's just that the body has its defence mechanisms and it is screaming: "TOO BLOODY HOT GET OUT OF HERE!". The ultra high temperature may not be doing any harm. I have been raising mine to 38.5 every day for around 6 months and I have seen only beneficial results - some of them amazing.

Anyway, to get back to our Ruskies. They put the patient under general anaesthetic and give a UV drip to hydrate the patient. If I had aids this is the treatment I would want. So what if the Ebola virus is killed at a temperature less than 44 C ? And what if, to make it even more effective, you gave the patient megadose vitamin c as a IV drip for synergy?

Of course, Ebola is highly infections. So this treatment would have to be carried out with an incredible degree of caution to avoid spreading the virus. You would probably want to use disposable equipment and burn it after the treatment.

I think this would work. The big question is at what temperature is the Ebola virus killed in vitro? This would be very simple to find out I'm sure if the will was there.

Here is another interesting fact about Hyperthermia, for every degree the body is raised about normal temperature, there is an increase in volume and intensity of 10% of leukocytes. (Immune cells). Imagine what an extra 7 degrees would do! In the 30's in the states when they were using hyperthermia to cure patients with multi strain, drug resistant venereal diseases, they used two different approaches. One was just one or two treatments at very high temperature (around 42 C). The other was to give frequent treatments at a lower temperature, often lower than the invitro death temperature of the Syphilis spirochete. Both approaches were found to be equally successful.

The problem is that the will is NOT there. In orthodox medicine NO treatment is allowed unless it involves drugs, surgery or high tech equipment.

The naysayers will say: "Absolute bilge, if it worked, orthodox medicine would be using it." People who spout this ad nauseum have absolutely no knowledge of the history of medicine. They are brainwashed clones. Harsh words which will raise a storm of angry protest but I stand by my comments.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: Sceptic

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

There are a lot of 'what if's'.
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Regarding hyperthermia treatment, my friend's wife died from this very treatment in Germany. She had it for cancer and died whilst the treatment was taking place 'on the table.' He was shocked, surprised and devastated. I wasn't at all surprised and was sad that desperation forced them to to something rather stupid and expensive and that her last moment in life was on a treatment table without dignity and a chance to say goodbye to her husband.
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"She had it for cancer and died whilst the treatment was taking place 'on the table.' He was shocked, surprised and devastated. I wasn't at all surprised and was sad that desperation forced them to to something rather stupid and expensive and that her last moment in life was on a treatment table without dignity and a chance to say goodbye to her husband."

German speaking clinics (Germany, Austria and Switzerland have the best alternative cancer clinics in the world. Plenty of people have beaten cancer with their treatments, including the use of hyperthermia. Don't take this the wrong way but your reply sounds like that of a typical pharma shill. I realise that this will be very hurtful if your account is true. But this is an unsubstantiated claim.
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"There are a lot of 'what if's'."

>>>Not really. The biggest what if is at what temperature the ebola virus is killed in vitro. It should be fairly easy to ascertain.
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

It will probably kill the host too.
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"It will probably kill the host too."

>>>I don't see why. According to who you believe Ebola is fatal in 20% to 90% of cases. Probably the usual Drug Company PR. How many times are we told that a complete cure for cancer/arthritis/tuberculosis etc. etc. is just around the corner.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: sceptic

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

If sleek fox's account is true??????

Why wouldn't it be??????
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hahaha to the 'pharma shill' accusation.

However, you believe what you want. I know I wouldn't risk hyperthermia treatment, no matter how ill I was.
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Date: 31.03.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I think Chris has had enough free publicity on this forum . I recommend that no one buys his book. And a message to Romeo, I am In a hospital bed at the moment and the last thing I feel like doing is flirting. My spat with the person that is promoting this book made a boring and miserable few hours more tolerable.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: Romeo

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

No harm meant, Ella, and sorry to hear that you're in hospital. I hope you get better soon.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Thank you Romeo , when I read your first post, it did make me smile x
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"I think Chris has had enough free publicity on this forum . I recommend that no one buys his book."

>>>>Yes. Don't buy the book if you are comfortable with your condition. If you got well you might have to forgo your invalidity benefits and you would no longer be able to use your condition as a means of controlling others.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: sceptic

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Typical if you can't win the argument lets turn it all on it's head and use disgusting comments towards some one that is ill. Got your number.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Sorry to hear you are in hospital, Ella. I hope you get home soon.

Cachophrastus, what an extraordinarily vile statement to make on an arthritis forum. It shows your true colours.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Thank you for your kind words SK. I think it best just to ignore the him now, he fails to realise that most people with arthritis visit this forum. When they read this thread I cant imagine anyone rushing to order his book. As the saying goes, give him enough rope....He doesn't come across as being the brightest button in the box, the more he posts , the more of an idiot he becomes. I wonder what nonsense he writes next .
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Heh! Spot on, Ella. I suppose it is keeping you amused while you are laid up in hospital though.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

You know SK I did actually wonder if he was for real, its half term and his posts are that of a child. Yes , you are right about the amusement factor, I hate daytime TV !!!
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"Typical if you can't win the argument lets turn it all on it's head and use disgusting comments towards some one that is ill. Got your number."

What argument? I won the argument when I translated the book.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I read recently in a book, written by a Peruvian scientist many, many years ago that he believed that consuming a daily portion of dried wallaby droppings, could be beneficial for those suffering with arthritis. I must translate this book and see I can flog a few on Amazon.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: sceptic

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hahahahahahah thanks Ella made my day.
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Date: 01.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Well if you had done a bit more research you could have made this credible.

This would be what medical historians call "dirt phamacy". Dioscorides was a first century Greco-Roman who wrote the most famous Materia Medica of all time. It was still being used and referenced right up to the 18th century and it is still being studied by modern day pharmacognosists. For example: cure for baldness: rub the charred skin of a hedgehog on your scalp! While many of Discorides' cures stretch credulity, many of them have been proven to be right on the money, even some of the dirt pharmacy cures - they often turn out to be antibiotics.

Unfortunately though you ruined it. I don't think that there are many wallabies in Peru. You should have chosen an animal native to Peru. Lama? Alpaca?

Cheers Chris
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Chris, are you a fool all the time, or is it just in April ?
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Cachophrastus Im sorry, I owe you an apology for that last remark. My husband read your post and took on board your suggestion that rubbing the flesh of a dead hedgehog into ones scalp was once considered to be a cure for hair loss. He was out all night long searching for road kill and returned with several fetid corpses. One thing we were not clear on though, do you remove the quills beforehand ? as his head is bleeding badly !!!
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Many thanks to Ella for keeping this thread at the top of the board.

Here is a book written by a French Canadian woman with crippling, painful RA who used the Seignalet diet to reverse the condition. It happens to be recommended by the Seignalet sisters:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Pain-Nutrition-Chronic-Inflammatory-ebook/dp/B00H6UOE18/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427974734&sr=1-1&keywords=an+end+to+pain

But then I expect she wrote the book just to make a fast buck!
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Don't be like that Cachophrastus I was just about to say thank you. After my husbands head stopped bleeding we noticed new hair growth, your suggestion of hedge hog hair renewal is a miracle !!! You should patent it and get it out their on the shelves, Ive already thought of a name, you could call it " HEAD HOG " what do you think ?
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Dioscorides had several cure for baldness. Most of them as outlandish as the charred hedgehog. I doubt whether any of them worked but then again, I don't think that they should be automatically discounted.

The "hedghog" cure was probably inspired by the "doctrine of signatures" where something in a plant or animal part was thought to be God giving us a clue as to its use. Surprisingly, many of these "cures" did turn out to have some merit. The fifteenth century Swiss German wunderkind and scourge of the orthodox medicine of the day was a great user of dirt pharmacy and great believer in the doctrine of signatures. He advocated eating cherries for heart problems based on the heart shape of cherries. Cherries do in fact contain a phytonutrient which is very beneficial to the heart. My interpretation is that the D of S might suggest something could be used and when it was found to be useful it would have seemed like validation for the D of S.

As well as several cures for baldness, Dioscorides suggests several palliatives or cures for leprosy. One of them which I think might have had great merit was various parts of the olive plant rubbed all over and taken internally. We now know that olive leaf is a broad spectrum antibiotic. It kills bacteria, viruses, parasites and mycotoxins. Only in the last few years has leprosy been curable. An antibiotic is used which specifically targets the leprosy mycotoxin. No doubt at some stage this mycotoxin will become resistant to antibiotics. It would then, IMHO, be time to look in the phantastic toolbox passed on to use by the ancients. Unfortunately, the racketeers who run medicine will never allow this to happen.

Did parts of the olive leaf ever cure leprosy? Well there are no recorded cases except for one instance where Paracelsus went to the town of Nuremburg and got a very hostile reception from the town's physicians. The told him to bugger off, basically. All right said Paracelsus, give me your most hopeless, incurable cases and I will cure them.

So he was shown to the leper hospital where there were 11 "lepers" (it should be born in mind that many skin diseases like psoriasis might also have been diagosed as leprosy at the time.) According to a record in the Nuremburg town archive, Paracelsus cured 9 of the lepers. It is absolutely maddening that these are the only details we have. We don't know what Paracelus used. (His cures were his trade secrets and he never revealed them.) I contacted a Professor at Zurich University who is the leading expert on Paracelsus to ask if he could throw more light on the question. It was he who told me to bear in mind that other skin diseases might have been lumped together with leprosy. He also found a quote where Paracelsus himself said that only God can cure leprosy. I wonder if Paracelsus DID actually cure some cases of leprosy. Dioscorides gives loads of so called cures for leprosy. Another infuriating thing is that Disocorides never gives a quality rating for any of these cures. He just says: "This is good for......etc".

Based on the fact that the modern treatment takes at least a year to work, I should imagine that Paracelsus' cure would take at least a long.

Ella, you need to get out more and broaden your horizons instead of dismissing people with some erudition as fools.

I hope users are finding my posts interesting. They are my way of keeping the thread at the top of the board but I hope, adding enough value to justify hogging the top spot.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: Ella

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I do agree on that last comment, you have hogged the top spot for long enough and its my fault for enabling you to remain there. I was hoping the moderators of this forum would erase all your posts as you have blatantly disregarded the rules of this forum. One, you have consistently been plugging your book and two, some of your posts have been rude, offensive and as someone else said " vile ". Hopefully the posts will enable the readers to see for themselves what rot you spout. Maybe someone who has bothered to read your bilious claptrap will report you to the moderators, unfortunately I don't know how to do it.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"you have blatantly disregarded the rules of this forum"

>>>I don't think there are any rules are there? There is no registration process - you just come on and start posting. A rather strange set up but I am not complaining.

"Maybe someone who has bothered to read your bilious claptrap will report you to the moderators, unfortunately I don't know how to do it."

>>>>Like the non existent rules, I wonder if there actually are any moderators? Again I'm not complaining.

"... some of your posts have been rude, offensive and as someone else said " vile ".."

>>>Have you looked in the mirror lately?
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Ella, you just go to the home page and there is a link to email the forum. It isn't actively moderated so you have to report.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Mike - I know there is some provocation but you are not doing yourself any favours. There was and would still be interest in what you posted a few weeks ago - but you can't force people accept stuff that is non mainstream.

I've posted on health and diet on here over over 2 years now - you don't need to criticise the forum - I suggest that when people ask about alternatives then chip in - and if there is interest from the original poster of others then respond - to exchange like this is petty and disappointing - but dare I say funny too :-)

I found Ella's post on Borody interesting too - and in this respect you have a great deal in common - as although AP therapy for me although better than some drugs - is closer to the cause if the disease - in fact Borody is also one of the biggest advocates of FMT treatment - and again for me changing your gut bacteria by any if these means (diet, AP or FMT).

Not everyone will buy a diet choice or have the will power to change - especially if their lives are already compromised by pain and damage.

I understand your passion - and I'm someone who has suffered and improved from diet change - and I know too that it is likely to help others too, but I have learnt to understand resistance.

I know you are trying to help and we are all here to learn!
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

I suspect it's the plugging of a book that is the problem.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

"I suspect it's the plugging of a book that is the problem."

>>>I can't see why it is a problem. In my opinion (and the opinion of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, who have put their diseases into remission), this book is a game changer. I did not translate the book for it to sink into obscurity.

If for whatever reason you don't want to grasp this chance of returning to good health with both hands, fine. Except that you might as well know that I resent being bled dry in taxes to pay for your treatment and to make a bunch of billionaires in New York still richer.

You might well have gathered by now that I also resent being accused of trying to make a fast buck out of the suffering of others. I think some thanks for my fine work in translating this book and supervising its superb production and bringing the book to your attention might be in order.

Drug therapies will never work. Not for any disease. They never have and never will.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Sean,

My name is Chris not Mike. (No harm done).

Have you read the book? I would welcome your review of it. It's only £1.90 on Kindle.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: Lois

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Chris, I also pay taxes and have no issue what so ever with paying taxes for the sick. What is wrong with you?

I love a debate and have been reading this one with interest well up till now.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Instead, you want us to fund you, Chris. hahahaha
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: wisegeek

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Come on people, give the guy a break! I have no problem with Chris telling us about his book, he is not twisting anyone's arm to buy it and for £1.90 it won't break the bank. If you buy it and don't find it helpful then you might find other uses for it. (1) It could be used as a kindle for the fire (2) You could waft it to cool youself down in the warm weather. (3) You can use it as a door stop. (4) You could give it to someone you don't like as a Christmas present. So all in all I think it could be good value.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: lucy

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Chris, I think it is foolish to say that drugs will never work for any disease. Millions of people depend on drugs to stay alive or to improve their quality of life. My daughter would be dead if she didn't receive insulin injections. My husband would be a mess if he didn't receive his Parkinson drugs. I think any hope of anyone buying your book is now lost with you saying that.
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Date: 02.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

OK. Insulin is a special case. However, it is not strictly speaking a drug, its a synthetic replacement for one of the body's one hormones which in the case of Diabetes type 1 is lacking.

With regards to Parkinson's I know what causes this. It's the same thing that caused my sudden loss of hearing. You need to read this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dentistry-Exposed-Graeme-Robert-Munro-Hall/dp/0955220718/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1428006518&sr=1-1&keywords=toxic+dentistry

When you have read it carefully and properly digested the contents you should take your husband to see Munroe Hall. Beware though, he will probably want to take out some apparently sound teeth and you will need to take out a second mortgage for the treatment.

Thankfully, my naturopathic knowledge means that I have found an alternative to the surgery. I have 100% proof that it is working, albeit very, very slowly.

I am not going to get drawn into a massive debate on the question. I've told you what to do. Up to you to look into it and act.

What happens when the drugs stop working (which they will)? They can only be a short term palliative.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 03.04.2015
From: Eleanor Young

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Thank you all for your responses, opened up a whole can of worms here. Think I'll go now as this was not what I wanted.
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Date: 03.04.2015
From: lucy

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

It is a bit unfair that your post was taken over, Eleanor. This seems to happen now and again. It would be better if people would stick to the subject in question. I hope it hasn't put you of posting again.
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Date: 03.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Eleanor, your thread has been hijacked and it isn't fair at all. Why don't you start another one and those who want to respond directly to your questions can respond there. You can also report this by emailing the forum, address on the home page. Please don't leave the forum.
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Date: 03.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

It was not my intention to "hijack" Eleanor's thread. I was replying with what I intended to be (and am sure IS) constructive advice. I was not expecting the tirades of hostility I received and felt that I had to defend myself and to get people and Eleanor in particular, interested in finding a solution to their problems by reading the book and starting the Seignalet diet.

I must say I was surprised at how most people on here hang on like grim death to the idea that drugs and orthodox medicine will eventually come up with something which will help them. In spite of the many kicks in the teeth I have received on here, I will not give up. I know just how effective the Seignalet diet is and my life here on earth will be justified if I can get that message across. There will be at least one or two people at least who have bought the book following my posts here and that gives me consolation.
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Date: 03.04.2015
From: sleek fox

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

As Eleanor said herself, it's not what she wanted. Sometimes people need to get to a different place under their own steam. I think you mistake some comments as people 'hanging on like grim death.' rather than people don't necessarily like to be brow beaten into an idea. Also, you have no idea what Eleanor's diagnosis is and yet you are advocating a diet on the basis of zilch knowledge. You don't know what I am thinking about orthodox medicine and it isn't actually any of your business.

I won't read or post here again as I'm rather bored with your efforts to sell your book.

*waves*
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Date: 03.04.2015
From: lois

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Ditto
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Date: 04.04.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

PARKINSON'S

Dr. Jean Seignalet treated 11 patients with the diet. 7 had 80/90% improvements, 3 had 50% improvements and there was one failure. Seignalet put Parkinson's into his "clogging disease" classification.

RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS (Autoimmune)
297 patients treated
127 complete remissions
100 80%/90% remissions
18 50% improvements
52 failures

Ankylosing spondylitis (autoimmune)

122 patients treated
76 complete remissions
40 80%/90% remissions
6 failures

Inflammatory rheumatism

15 patients treated
12 complete remissions
2 50% improvements
1 failure

Osteoarthritis ("clogging disease")

118 patients treated
47 complete remissions
52 80%/90% improvements
7 failures
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Date: 04.04.2015
From: suz

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

The information you are providing Chris is very valuable to some people like myself and I do appreciate it as this forum is about helping anyone suffering from this terrible joint disease.

Thank you and take care.
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Date: 02.05.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Hi Suze,

Thank you for your kind comments. Anne Seignalet has given me access to her amazon account so I see the daily sales reports. There were quite a few Kindle versions sold (or downloaded free with amazon unlimited) around the time of my posts on here.

I would love to hear your feedback on the book. Are you seeing results? Did you like the extra chapter I wrote on where to source "truly raw" food?
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Date: 04.05.2015
From: Curious

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Why would any one give you access to their Amazon Account?????? Looking into her sales reports. Rather Strange I think.
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Date: 04.05.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Osteoarthritis I think

Why is this strange?
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