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Date: 19.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Book by famous French doctor

Hi,

I am pleased to see that this forum is unafilliated.
OK - I have some information that I am genuinely sure can help all arthritis sufferers (all types). This post may be seen as promotion so I hope that it is not removed. Moderators - please read it carefully - I hope you will not delete it.

I am a French to English translator and a health nut of long standing. I recently translated a book by the daughters of a famous French doctor and research scientist (sadly deceased in 2003). This doctor devised a diet which is effective in the treatment of most chronic diseases and particularly RA. This was the first disease he treated with the diet and his theories developed from his ideas on the pathogenesis of RA which he realised applied to nearly all chronic diseases.

Over 20 years he treated 2,500 patients with the diet and over half had complete remissions. Most of the rest had some improvement, from 90 to 50 %. Total failures were very rare. All the diseases and their results were carefully collated and are set out in tables in the book. To give you an idea, 297 patients with RA were treated. 127 had complete remission, 100 had 80/90% improvements, 18 had 50% improvements and there were 52 failures. AS, 122 patients/78 remissions, OA 118 treated, 47 remissions, 52 89/90% improvements etc. etc. All the rarer forms of arthritis or rheumatisms are listed.

The book is available on Amazon in both paperback and Kindle. We have deliberately set the Kindle price at the lowest allowed by Amazon ($2.99 or £1.99) in case you are on a low budget. On some days it's free. If you don't think the book (Kindle version) has helped you, you can ask Amazon for a refund. The books is called: "How to prevent and reverse 100 diseases the new French way." I hope you will give me some feed back here on the book.

Cheers Chris Parkinson
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Date: 19.02.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

I had read about him before - its funny how the practice of a big legitimate high profile doctor who treated politicians and celebrities just gets erased from the medical "knowledge" - but today his diet is replicated by the likes of the Paleo diet and the emphasis on probiotics like Western A Price so there is a lot out there that covers what he was doing all this years ago!

I think it was Colin on this forum who introduced me to another French name "de Cote Marsh "
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Date: 19.02.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Just found a book I found of recipes and covers Seignalet and differences to Paleo for free on PDF form!

Get cooking - and cut you inflammation

http://www.alainbraux.com/wp-content/uploads/Paleo-French-Book-ALAINBRAUX-with-Cover.pdf
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sean,

I had a quick look at the PDF. (I hope that PDF was made and distributed free with the consent of the author.)

He explains Seignalet on page 17 but his summary does not really do justice to Seignalet. You really need to read our book. Also, his recipes, while interesting and no doubt delicious (I might try to adapt some of them), are not truly "Seignalet legal". For example, Seignalet bans ALL dairy, including butter. Another example, Alain Braux uses stock in his recipes. Again, this is banned by Seignalet. So Braux's recipes are his own mixture of Paleo and Weston Price, influenced a bit by Seignalet. Seignalet found by experience that if you follow his diet 90% you will only get a 50% remission. So to get the full remission you have to follow his diet exactly.
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sally

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Thanks for sharing the info Chris. My consultant is convinced these diseases are diet related. I will have a look on Amazon later. So hard to stick to these diets when you are a mum cooking for a family of teenage boys though !
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Chris,

I agree that Seignalets diet is likely to help a lot - but I personally think it also has some flaws.

I fully buy in to intestinal permeability, gut bacteria imbalance and then food reactions as being a cause of disease.

You may not have seen my other posts on here - but I have treated my own Ankylosing Spondylitis with diet change for over 20 years.

First you have to understand why these diets work for some people and not others.

Seignalet allows meat products and that is what I would call healthy too... but there is also a concern that due to leaky gut some may develop a reaction to specific proteins to which they have related antibodies - if you have developed antibodies to beef / pork / chicken, following - so Seignalets diet will reduce intestinal permeability but will not remove all of an individuals culprit foods.

Seignalet was not the first and only doctor to be treating diseases with diet changes (Dr. Gail Darlington, with the help of Dr. Mansfield in the 1980's, John Turnbull in the USA in the 1920's to 1940's - then modern day Dr. Terry Wahls and others.....) - it is what these diets have in common with each other that is key.

You also have to keep in mind that the creation of antibodies in autoimmune disease - arising from molecular mimicry can be caused by bacterial proteins also. I think Seignalet and later Lagace cover this with probiotics - but at the time the science of molecular mimicry was not out there.

BTW - I exclude Corn, wheat, beers, nearly all cows milk products (I allow sheep's and goats to get a good load of fermented bacteria) - I find it interesting that Seignalet allows Rice which would make diet easier to follow than some out there!

Good luck with your book - I have no doubt that it will help people!
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sally

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Sean I go to Dr Mansfields clinic in Surrey, although he has long gone. The Doctor that treats me is adamant I should avoid wheat which I try to do but it is difficult. My fingers swell when I do succumb.
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Wow Sally - my Mum took me there when I was about 18 years old! That was 31 years ago. Dr. Mansfield went in to contribute to WDDTY website. Dr. Mansfield put me on an elimination diet.

The science as to how and why we react to a food or bacterial protein has developed since Dr Mansfield set up the Burghwood clinic - hopefully they are in tune with recent developments.
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sally

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sean I didn't realise the clinic had been there that long ! Its recently been refurbished for the first time since you last went I believe ! The Doctors there are very in tune with all things gut related and I often get a lecture on how important it is for me to stick to a gluten free diet. I have recently noticed that if I consume dairy I wheeze and cough, I wasn't aware beforehand that there was a connection.
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sally

I wonder if that shows how successful they have been over the years to survive this long.

Have you asked them for their success stories or %. Dr. Mansfield was confident with me that well over 50% would have a huge improvement - with 70% showing a measurable improvement. I later bought his book too to compare to what I was doing today. Is yours RA - did they put you on an elimination diet?

It sounds like you do get immune response to foods - I get a reaction from cows milk where my skin from my scalp dandruff, very sore eyes rims blepharitis then I get dry thin, itchy skin on my shins and when I scratch it bleeds. Not badly but a reaction nevertheless :(. The skin on my back also gets itchy.

Sorry if you or anyone else have seen this before - but if you need to have a compelling reason to not eat wheat, when you have an autoimmune disease then please watch this - it confirms everything and will change modern medicine - its another long lecture :) but entertaining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wha30RSxE6w


Some people can find that a milk reaction will lessen after gluten free as your gut will become less permeable to macromolecules (in this case Bovine Casein).

BTW - and hopefully Burghwood clinic will confirm but other grains can give reaction similar to wheat gluten - corn contains a protein called ZEIN that is very similar to GLIADIN in wheat.

Which links back to Chris's original post as Seignalet disallows corn too - strangely I think Seignalet diet allows Wheat starch and Corn starch - which doesn't make much sense to me - as I have found that avoiding foods is like walking a tightrope - I have a son with a peanut allergy too and although my autoimmune reaction isn't like an immediate anaphlactic one I am aware that tiny quantities can spark severe delayed reactions. The agreed limit for US food for gluten free is 20 parts per million!

Take care, Sean
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Date: 20.02.2015
From: Sally

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sean I have psoriatic arthritis but no psoriasis, just arthritis. Thanks I will watch the you tube video. My Doctor has advised for the programme embarrassing bodies, there is a clip of him on You tube too, I think its under something like " Dr Apelles Econs Embarrassing bodies on Channel 4 ? ". I often read Dr Mansfields books when I have an appointment there, as his books are on the coffee table in the waiting room !
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Date: 21.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sean,
You are obviously a great expert on different diets. I will look up some of your references.
Re: corn and wheat starch, I don't think that these are allowed by Seignalet. Agar, agar is usually used in Seignalet type recipes where you need a thickener. (I use coco nut cheese - see underneath).
You say: "BTW - I exclude Corn, wheat, beers, nearly all cows milk products (I allow sheep's and goats to get a good load of fermented bacteria) - I find it interesting that Seignalet allows Rice which would make diet easier to follow than some out there!"
Seignalet is adamant that no dairy of any kind should be eaten. I personally make home made sauerkraut (the shop bought stuff is useless as it is pasteurized). It's very easy to make a large batch that will keep for months (if not years!). There is a ton of stuff on the web about how to make it. I mix it with fresh coco nut and fresh raw apple juice (one apple per coco nut) to make delicious coco nut cheese which I use to replace creme fraiche, yoghurt and cheese. I use the coco nut cheese to make a Seignalet legal version of the Budwig flax oil/quark mixture and have it every day for breakfast. I also use the c/n cheese in recipes where you might otherwise use cream.
I think the great thing about Seignalet is the breadth of his scientific knowledge and his 20 years of experience with 2,500 patients. I stand to be corrected but I don't think anyone else has come close to this.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 21.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sally,

You wrote:

"Thanks for sharing the info Chris. My consultant is convinced these diseases are diet related. I will have a look on Amazon later. So hard to stick to these diets when you are a mum cooking for a family of teenage boys though !"

>>>Do you speak French a bit? There are several book Seignalet diet recipe books on French Amazaon (including one by Anne Seignalet).

Apart from diet, all chronic diseases are also caused by a genetic predisposition. So you will be doing your boys a big favour by bringing them up on a Seignalet diet. The diet is used by several high level sportsmen. I think Andy Murray uses it (although he may not call it Seignalet).

Cheers Chris
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Date: 21.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sean,

You wrote:

"Seignalet allows meat products and that is what I would call healthy too... but there is also a concern that due to leaky gut some may develop a reaction to specific proteins to which they have related antibodies - if you have developed antibodies to beef / pork / chicken, following - so Seignalets diet will reduce intestinal permeability but will not remove all of an individuals culprit foods."

>>>We need to distinguish between cooked meat and fish and raw. According to Seignalet cooking changes the structure of the molecules in animal protein and this is one of the biggest causes of the damage to the gut because (according to S.) we are not genetically adapted to eat cooked animal protein. So Seignalet advises to eat tartare, carpaccio and sashimi type things. Steaming is also allowed, as is light poaching, although raw is preferred. (Keep your meat or fish in the freezer for a couple of weeks to kill any potential parasites).

By the way, did you know that the so called raw "organic" seeds, nuts, rice, quinoa, buckwheat, dried fruit etc. etc. that you buy in health food shops is no longer raw? It has all been sterilized by high temperature steam under pressure (if organic) and Polypropolene Oxide, a solvent (which is a known carcinogen!) if not organic. I have written an article which is included in the book on where to source "truly raw" and how to make sure it IS raw.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 23.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Shaun,

You wrote: "Seignalet was not the first and only doctor to be treating diseases with diet changes (Dr. Gail Darlington, with the help of Dr. Mansfield in the 1980's, John Turnbull in the USA in the 1920's to 1940's - then modern day Dr. Terry Wahls and others.....) - it is what these diets have in common with each other that is key".

>>>>I was unaware of these three and I take pride in knowing this kind of stuff. You have left out a few including Dr. Weston Price from the 1920's and Dr. Gerson who treated cancer with diet and Dr. Salk who specialised in treating MS. There are also some important French doctors such as Paul Carton (1847-1947) and the Russian born, Swiss French Catherine Kousmine (1904-1992). Dr. Seignalet acknowledged his debt to Kousmine and Salk in particular.

IMHO it is Seignalet who made the big breakthrough. Not only was he at the cutting edge of modern day medical and biological science but he refined his theories and his diet by treating thousands of patients with the diet over a period of 20 years.
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Date: 23.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Sorry, Dr. Swank not "Salk".
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Date: 24.02.2015
From: Sean

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Chris

I had heard of most of those people. BTW - Salk was a good lead to some "interesting stuff" on a drug for fooling the gut in to being full :)

I get the point about the structure of food molecules and can agree, my view is that cooking as you suggest would also maintain good enzymes that help us digest - I do think that a damaged gut should be repaired first before being exposed to similar proteins to which someone has developed antibodies. Then there is a medium term issue of waiting for the adaptive immune system to "forget" the food protein as a foe. There is every likelihood that many proteins will be tolerated again in time. Turnbull found that his patients would return years later and have developed a different set of food allergies - my guess is that their guts had not healed, they had dysbiosis or bacterial infection.

As an analogy if someone is stuck in a hole the remedy is not that they need to take a walk everyday - it would be get them a rope and help them out - then tell them to take a regular walk (being careful to avoid holes).

So I agree with the hypothesis but believe that people can maintain health with less extreme measures - I think incorporating some his (S) ideas for healing and maintenance. I seen there are people that can ameliorate their conditions without having to resort to the extreme of a (S) diet. Me being one.

For everyone else... there are a couple of good websites I have found recently -

THE ANGRY ALLERGIST (this guy is a doctor - his writing on the state of medical care is interesting)

http://angryallergist.squarespace.com/

HYPERLIPID (An expert in fat metabolism - and gut bacteria)

www.hyperlipid.com

I am also watching very closely - the developments of research in to gluten and neurological diseases - my wife and I lost a good friend to Huntington's disease last year, and we all aware of the explosion of dementia and autism.

I am not telling anyone that a gluten free diet will cure anyone - I am just pointing out the research, links and some real successes. I wonder how many people with Dementia are tested for NCGS or CD - or given pro-biotics?


"Two female patients presented with cognitive decline that was attributed to Alzheimer dementia but ameliorated after the initiation of gluten-free diet. The third patient had peripheral neuropathy that completely resolved after the initiation of gluten-free diet."
"Screening for celiac disease should be considered in patients with unexplained neurological disorders, including ataxia and dementia. Further studies are needed, however, to determine if a gluten-free diet will lead to improvement in the associated neurological disorder."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2661192/


Then from 2015 - "The non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) is a chronic functional gastrointestinal disorder which is very common worldwide. ", "Hence, dysbiosis, gut inflammation, and chronic dyshomeostasis are of great clinical relevance. It is argued here that we need to be aware of NCGS and its chronic pathophysiological impact. Therapeutic measures inc........ and oxidative stress in NCGS; they may therefore, prevent cognitive dysfunction and vulnerability to Alzheimer's disease."

(BTW estimates are 6% to 7% with NCGS - exactly the same as dementia rates in the elderly)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25642988

"Gluten sensitivity is associated with multiple neurological abnormalities including gluten ataxia, motor neuron disease-like neuropathy, small fiber type neuropathy, cognitive impairment, and even Parkinsonism.", "Gluten sensitivity is involved in at least some of the unexplained neurological symptoms of Japanese patients with adult-onset, sporadic cerebellar ataxia."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16508226

Yes - that's right researchers... more studies before you inconvenience someone with early dementia with a test for NCGS or CD or just educate the doctors as to the possibility!
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Date: 24.02.2015
From: Chris Parkinson

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Sean,

you wrote: "I get the point about the structure of food molecules and can agree, my view is that cooking as you suggest would also maintain good enzymes that help us digest - I do think that a damaged gut should be repaired first before being exposed to similar proteins to which someone has developed antibodies. Then there is a medium term issue of waiting for the adaptive immune system to "forget" the food protein as a foe. There is every likelihood that many proteins will be tolerated again in time. Turnbull found that his patients would return years later and have developed a different set of food allergies - my guess is that their guts had not healed, they had dysbiosis or bacterial infection."

Re: enzymes. Yes, many "alternative" nutritionists believe that enzyme rich, raw or fermented foods play an important role in maintaining health. Gerson for example believed that it was the oxidising enzymes in fresh, raw vegetable and fruit juices which helped the body defeat cancer and raw foodists have taken this on board lock stock and barrel. The "quackwatch" orthodox version is that no enzymes survive the stomach's secretions. I think that this has been disproved in various studies and that food enzymes ARE absorbed.

Interestingly, although Seignalet talks in very great length about the role of our own digestive enzymes, he does not seem to think that enzymes in raw food play a role. I don't know whether he was aware of what Gerson and others thought or whether he dismissed this as a factor. It is simply not discussed in his book. My suspicion is that although Seignalet's theories are 100% correct IMO and he proved this with his patients, I suspect that part of the reason for the success of the diet might be attributable to the enzymes present in raw food. It could be that he secretly believed that enzymes in raw food DID play a role but did not want to weaken his theoretical framework by incorporating this because hard to prove.

We have to remember that although Seignalet was very open minded and said that the most suitable therapy, whether alternative or orthodox should be chosen for the patient, he himself would not have counted himself as an alternative practitioner. He was a man of science.

Re: "food allergies", yes it seems to be the prevailing wisdom nowadays that everyone develops different food allergies along the way. Eggs and tomatoes for example are regarded as allergenic foods for some (both forbidden in macrobiotics), but both are permitted with Seignalet. The key point though IMO is that Seignalet says that they should be eaten raw (he says if you can't stand the idea of raw eggs it's ok to lightly poach them). The important thing for Seignalet was that cooking denatures animal proteins and our digestive enzymes have not had time to evolve to cope with these denatured proteins. So it is not eggs per se which are the problem but COOKED eggs. So I wonder how many so called allergenic foods could be perfectly well tolerated if the people to whom these foods are supposed to be allergic, ate them raw.

btw. macrobiotics is all about eating the traditional Japanese pre-modern diet (brown rice etc) and tomatoes and eggs are a recent addition. I wonder if the Japanese have simply not had time to evolve genetically to tolerate these foods.

Cheers Chris
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Date: 03.05.2015
From: cachophrastus

Subject: Re: Book by famous French doctor

Hi Shaun,

Just re-reading your excellent posts. You are obviously a voracious reader of pub (ncbi).
Some comments from me from a Seignalet angle.

you wrote:
"I am also watching very closely - the developments of research in to gluten and neurological diseases - my wife and I lost a good friend to Huntington's disease last year, and we all aware of the explosion of dementia and autism."

>>>Seignalet had really outstanding results with endogenous depression Nearly all the patients had complete remissions. Also very good results with Parkinson's. There were many diseases like dementia and Alzheimer's which he didn't treat. He may have believed at the beginning of his patient trials that they were outside the scope of the diet. (Purely conjecture on my part here). It seems to me that he came to believe that more and more diseases were gut related. For example, he says (in the main, untranslated book) that although he did not treat autism with the diet, a colleague treated three cases with success. So just because Alzheimer's or autism is not listed in the results tables doesn't mean that the Seignalet diet would not work for those diseases. By the way, have you read the book by the lady doctor who had a lot of success giving her husband with Alzheimer's, coco nut oil? (Ketogenic)

you also wrote:

"I am not telling anyone that a gluten free diet will cure anyone - I am just pointing out the research, links and some real successes. I wonder how many people with Dementia are tested for NCGS or CD - or given pro-biotics?"

Two female patients presented with cognitive decline that was attributed to Alzheimer dementia but ameliorated after the initiation of gluten-free diet. The third patient had peripheral neuropathy that completely resolved after the initiation of gluten-free diet."
"Screening for celiac disease should be considered in patients with unexplained neurological disorders, including ataxia and dementia. Further studies are needed, however, to determine if a gluten-free diet will lead to improvement in the associated neurological disorder."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2661192/


Then from 2015 - "The non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) is a chronic functional gastrointestinal disorder which is very common worldwide. ", "Hence, dysbiosis, gut inflammation, and chronic dyshomeostasis are of great clinical relevance. It is argued here that we need to be aware of NCGS and its chronic pathophysiological impact. Therapeutic measures inc........ and oxidative stress in NCGS; they may therefore, prevent cognitive dysfunction and vulnerability to Alzheimer's disease."

(BTW estimates are 6% to 7% with NCGS - exactly the same as dementia rates in the elderly)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25642988

"Gluten sensitivity is associated with multiple neurological abnormalities including gluten ataxia, motor neuron disease-like neuropathy, small fiber type neuropathy, cognitive impairment, and even Parkinsonism.", "Gluten sensitivity is involved in at least some of the unexplained neurological symptoms of Japanese patients with adult-onset, sporadic cerebellar ataxia."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16508226

Yes - that's right researchers... more studies before you inconvenience someone with early dementia with a test for NCGS or CD or just educate the doctors as to the possibility!"

>>>>Yes. You hit the nail right on the head. Hell will freeze over before doctors admit that diseases have anything to do with diet. They sell their souls to big pharma in the first year of medicine.

Cheers Chris
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