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Date: 11.04.2012
From: davina

Subject: ESA support group

hi all hope your well

with all these weather changes i am suffering badly. i would really like a steroid injection or infustion right now as at the moment i don't have the energy to move, my partner got up with my son this morning and i got up about 9 and now i just want to sleep.

anyway i had to fill out my forms for my ESA at the moment i am in the work related group on contribition basis and will be lossing my benefit, was contacted about a new medical and filled it out, i contacted them today and they are still looking at it, 2 weeks atos have had it now but they said i may be put into the surport group (but not definatly and may still need a medical which is fine because i'm not lying about my health) which would be so great
and a lot of my mind but got to wait to find out.

are there many of you ladies or gents in the surport group after the 1st year and did you need a medical?

so we'll see what will be happening over the next few weeks but in the meantime i will be lossing my esa benefit of £99 a week and working tax credits of £50 a week, can someone tell me how is is fair and why we have to suffer when other people on income support can lie and not get touched? (this is not all people just some)
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Date: 11.04.2012
From: Kim

Subject: Re: ESA support group

Hi Davina
Just before I got the phone call informing me my esa was going to be stopped I had to fill in a medical form which I sent back to ATOS. I havnt heard anything since so just assumed my moneys going to be stopped and that's it. Did you phone jobcentre plusto find out about you being put in support group or ATOS?
I hope you do get put in supprt group, Iv kind of accepted that I wont, which Im finding really tough as feel so unwell at the moment but we cant survive on just my hubbys money so Iv got to do something.
It makes me sick that people in a household with no income will continue to get all their benfits still no questions asked yet the rest of us have to suffer. I would love the people who make these decisions to live with our pain and illness for just a few days to see how they like it!
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Date: 11.04.2012
From: davina

Subject: Re: ESA support group

hi kim i know its just wrong a friend of mine and her husband are both on benefits and say they care for his parents so get another £116 per week and they do nothing at all, his parents are disabled but yet they don't need taking care off and my friend can't drive so his parents come to them all the time. they are always complaining they have no money yet they get benefits, tax credits for 3 kids and carers allowance plus rent and council tax for doing nothing and theres me and others who are to ill to work or find work extreamlly difficult and are being penalised for it. it makes me sick.

i got sent a letter regarding a medical so filled out form now waiting for the appointment which could be 1-2 months but i still loss my esa until there is a desision. i'm really sorry that you have to go to work because this gov are so rubbish and unfair. x
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Date: 11.04.2012
From: bsk

Subject: Re: ESA support group

How can it make anyone sick that a household with no income still continues to get their benefits?

I'm not saying it is right that anyone gets it stopped but if there is no income at all, how on earth are people supposed to eat?

This government is making people turn against one another when they should stand together and fight these disgraceful policies.
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Date: 12.04.2012
From: Kim

Subject: Re: ESA support group

Hi BSK
What I mean is why is it fair that in a household where one person goes out to work and if the other person is unwell/disabled they lose their benefits yet in a household where there are two or more people who dont work they continue to get benefits as individuals yet in the household where just one person works over 24 hours a week the other person who cannot work automatically loses their benefit, Im sorry but that is unfair and unjust. I have several families near me where nobody works and I see them every day walk into town and sit smoking and drinking and having new expensive goods delivered on a regular basis and theres us where my husband works damned hard and I cant afford for my children to have new clothes that is why im peed off.
Sorry for the rant and if it offends anyone but im sick and tired of the benefit system.
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Date: 13.04.2012
From: davina

Subject: Re: ESA support group

hi bsk i also mean that able body people that are not ill can sit around doing what they like, without a care in the world (only some not all)
get everything paid for them including rent, council tax and also get benefit and don't bother looking for work. i understand people whom carer for others and have young children but when i see people who do nothing alday and get £260 in benefits a week (yes includes child benefit) and rent and council tax and they then complain they have no money well it makes me angry.
i know people who have lost their job and now looking for work well good luck to them at least they are trying.

like kim said sorry for the rant but this gov are so horrible us people who really need these benefits because they can't work its not fair.
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Date: 13.04.2012
From: bsk

Subject: Re: ESA support group

Who can judge someone else's life from the outside?

If you are able bodied and out of work, you are entitled to benefits whether anyone likes it or not. In any case, this government is making it harder for everyone, not just sick and disabled people.

I go back to my point about people turning against one another. There aren't enough jobs for everyone in this country to work, that's the reality. There is always going to be people out of work and you can't let them starve. What kind of society would we be if we let that happen?

I agree what's happening to you isn't fair but neither is it fair to blame others because of that.

Sorry for the rant but I feel strongly about this subject.
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Date: 13.04.2012
From: Kim

Subject: Re: ESA support group

I understand what you are saying BSK and I would not like to see anyone starve but why should someone with exactly the same condition who has a partner who is working not be entitled to benefits as someone with a partner who is not working but also claiming benefits, it still amounts to a household having their income reduced by half.
Its the benefit system that should be changed and no i dont blame anyone in a household with no income but the government should make it a benefit based on the individual not on the household income that way it would be fair to everyone, if you cant work then you should be entitled to benefit full stop.
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Date: 13.04.2012
From: bsk

Subject: Re: ESA support group

I agree with you Kim. Perhaps we should all write to our MPs, the prime minister and anyone else we can think of. If everyone complained they just might backtrack.
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Date: 15.04.2012
From: davina

Subject: Re: ESA support group

hi bsk i understand and like i said with people i know get all these benefits its just not fair how the government works.
i also know that the gov are cutting benefits to £500 a week which will effect many people including my sister who lives in london where it is going to hit hardest in the south due to the prices and she is going to loss too.

i believe many people who can work should work and like you said most can't get jobs because there are not enought so its very hard at the moment i know but when people don't even look or try and the gov lets them get away with it i think is unfair (like people i know, not all)

like kim said its the governments fault noone else. and bsk yes mps and prime minister are not going to change their mind from people just signing a form, (my opionion only, hope this doesn't affend anyone) x
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Date: 15.04.2012
From: rhona

Subject: Re: ESA support group

Hi Davina, I know it must be difficult for people depending on benefits but some people working don't earn £500 per week and i do think there should be a cut of point. I realise house rentals in London and the south are high but then again surely money from the public purse can't be expected to pay for high rentals. I think a lot is to do with greedy land lords and a lack of decent council housing.
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Date: 15.04.2012
From: bsk

Subject: Re: ESA support group

You are right about the landlords Rhona, and lack of council housing. It's a scandal really but a lot of people in London and the south east are going to suffer. The government says people can move but where are they supposed to move to? Areas without jobs, where they have no support? Lots of people say them move for work but it is a very different thing to move in order to take up a job than to move without any prospect of a job.

Davina, I know exactly what you are saying. I think the idea is that it will get harder for people who don't look for work but, unfortunately, affects the genuine cases too.

I disagree about lobbying for change. It can make a difference. MPs rely on voters to reelect them so if they don't support their constituent's views they have a chance of losing their seat. Sending letters, rather than a form, is more effective.

By the way, I'm not offended in any way. It's good to have a discussion about these issues.
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Date: 15.04.2012
From: davina

Subject: Re: ESA support group

rhona i tottally agree. if i can't get £500 a week working why should people unemployed get benefits including money to spend, rent and council tax paid upto or more than £500?

bsk i too understand people whom don't want to be unemplyed or have a genuine reason to be unemployed then its going to be hard for them but the government can't just keep giving money out when they are trying to help this country, yes they are doing it wrong and not looking after the needy.

my partner and i after 30th april are better off unemployed than him working but he really doesn't want to give up because he is a worker and can't stay at home doing nothing.

bsk if you don't mind me asking (please say if you would not like to awnser) what is your situation? benefits? vountering ect...
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Date: 15.04.2012
From: bsk

Subject: Re: ESA support group

I hope you don't mind Davina but I'm not going to talk about my circumstances on here.
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Date: 16.04.2012
From: davina

Subject: Re: ESA support group

ok not a problem. not everyone is like me i know xx
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Date: 16.04.2012
From: bsk

Subject: Re: ESA support group

thanks :)
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