Date: 01.10.2011
From: davina
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Subject: New ESA changes (possible)
hi everyone hope all are well i got a letter in the post this morning from ESA which states that if you are currently on or go onto ESA you will only have maximum of 12 months payment.
conditions
-- be on contribution-based
-- work-related activity group if the govenment does make this change it will be in april 2012 so if you have been on esa since before april 2011 your payments WILL STOP. this is the link for ore info
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_199210 we can change to income-related esa or get different help but i think this is crap!!!! i will loss this benefit that keeps my household going and yet i'm still not fit for work so what do i do?
sorry to puy a damper on your day for all esa claimants but here it is. CRAP!!!!!!!
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Date: 01.10.2011
From: bsk
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
This has been in the national press. Hopefully, disability groups will make a stink about it.
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Date: 01.10.2011
From: davina
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
really i never see it. thanks for that info
i am so pi**ed its crazy ow they expect people to be well enough to go back to work or loss the money. x
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Date: 01.10.2011
From: bsk
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
I don't think it will happen Davina.It is so blatantly discriminating against the sick that they will have to put something else in place. Something really nasty is going to happen to someone who is ill soon and the press will have a field day with this government. I hope not but my feeling is that it will.
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Date: 01.10.2011
From: lynnr
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
aw i am just finishing my 6 months on ssp and have just applied for esa to b told today im not getting it as ive not paid enought national insurance the whole thing is crap xx
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Date: 01.10.2011
From: marlene
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
Just another kick in teeth!!!!What is coming next!!!!! Not heard any of this before. It stinks what more is there to say!!!
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Date: 02.10.2011
From: Dilizjo
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
I saw that in the paper and was thoroughly disgusted, I think this time the ConDems have gone too far....... there will be a big outcry am just waiting for it to happen.
They seem to think it is ok to put people who are already under stress due to bad health through even more with their stupid startergies to cut benefits.
Maybe not dishing them out to people all over Europe will help, but I think the biggest saving would be to sack ATOS and all it's health care muppets... then they would save £1000000 a year....
So yet another reason to sign the petition guys.
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Date: 02.10.2011
From: kirst
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
i always figured this would happen... lets face it they have messed everything else up with regards to benifits for the sick of disabled, why not go the full hog! My benifit would also be stopped if this goes thru. Im currently at appeal. I hate this goverment!!!!! I want the labor party back... at least they were fair.
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Date: 02.10.2011
From: mads
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
Just read this and it is diabolical. This is such a nonsense, the reality is we do not live in a world where we have supportive good employers who are willing to employ people who can be off ill for months, who have to take time off to attend appointments, who have to try a multitude of drugs and cope with their side effects. There are so few jobs for experienced ablebodied healthy people, where is this work going to come from. They do not want to use their funds for ESA, they would prefer to channel it towards really important things like people getting their bins collected weekly or fighting wars. I am so cross i could cry. And i feel very defeatist and quite desperate - can we do anything?
I am more fortunate in that i am currently employed but it is a daily struggle to stay in work and i know it is just a matter of time unless i suddenly get cured overnight.
I am going to see if any of the big charities are doing anything on a national basis covering all people affected, I am also going to write to my MP. I do hope as BSK says that perhaps a big paper will get behind it but they usually appear to be highlighting the few cases where someone is abusing benefits and not the majority of real cases.
I don't want to be political but providing beneifts for sick people is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions lost through tax evasion by those wealthy enough to employ a firm of accountants.
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Date: 02.10.2011
From: davina
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
lynnr was you working april 2009-2010? if so you may have earnt enough and esa may have the wrong details, thats what happened to me last december, i would ring the NI helpline they will be able to give you the correct details and if you are entitled ring them back.
hope this helps
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Date: 02.10.2011
From: lynnr
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
hi davina i was working only part time though 17 hours a week does this count im not sure thanks x
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Date: 02.10.2011
From: davina
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
hi lynnr depending on your pay that may be right.
cause you only pay ni when earning above 140 per week and then thats not a lot
try this web site if you have any idea what your pay was try it http://www.worksmart.org.uk/tools/tax_calc.php hope it helps
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Date: 03.10.2011
From: Dilizjo
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
I think it would be amazing if a big national paper would take up the ESA, DLA and ATOS issues and treated with just as much exposure as they did the phone hacking scandal.....
I agree with Kirst this governement is totally crap, I lived through the 80's recession and it was no where nar as bad as this one. What makes me really laugh is that they blame Labour for all the problems they have inherited from them, but fail to acknowledge Labour inherited just as many problems from them.
They were on the TV this morning bragging that they were freezing council tax for a year doing families a favour saving them all of £6 per month, that doesn't cover the milk bill for a week.... ok that's my soap box flattened for now
take care all xx
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Date: 03.10.2011
From: Dilizjo
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
Thought yo may like this post I found it on: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?317728-Atos-issues-with-assessment --------------------------------------------------
Going back over time; Invalidity Benefit used to be paid if you couldn't do your "normal" job because of illness/disability, and got sick notes from your own doctor. The powers that be then decided too many people where "on the sick" and brought in IB and the All Work Test, so if you couldn't your normal job perhaps you could do another. The powers that be then decided too many people where "on the sick" and brought in ESA and the Work Capability Assessment, so if you couln't do your normal job or perhaps do another, you could do a job that did not exist or wasn't available. Each time a new sickness benefit is introduced it pays less than the one it replaced. Next thing we know, the powers that be will decide there are to many people "on the sick" and will bring out the breathing and pulse test and declare sickness as an anti social activity and therefore covered by the laws on anti social behaviour, and that won't pay anything to the sick. Then they should be able to abolish all taxes for people earning over 50k. Atos will of course assess people on whether or not they have a pulse or are breathing based on a new set of rules that does not actually require the person to attend an interview.
-------------------------------------------------- I think this is absolutely spot on!
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Date: 03.10.2011
From: marlene
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
I agree, just diverting a bit, Dilizjo as you know I went to GP to-day, I have eczema and it has caused an infection in the eardrum. Well antibiotic drops and antibiotics oral. Next he suggested i try a new Steroid cream and Lotion for my over dry skin. The first three lotions he tried to prescribe have been banned by the powers that be due to cut backs. He looked embarresed and frustrated. I must say he did apologise. I bet within a short time we will be limited to visits to Gps, I'm Not joking I find it worrying. As for the swollen hands not much they can do,just keep taking the pain meds. Like you I need to get off my soapbox. Take Care.
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Date: 04.10.2011
From: Dilizjo
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
To be honest I have no idea what we pay National Insurance for, I thought that was put in place to fund the NHS, benefits and care for the elderly. But obviously not...
People that have worked and paid into the system are now being refused the medications and treatments that could be the best for their conditions due to costs which is horrendous especially when the same people are put at the mercy of the DWP, ATOS and the ConDems only to be told they are fit to work etc... It is just like a never-ending circle.
I personally think that too much money is spent on things such as employing to many pen pushers in hospital and 'Too many chiefs and not enough Indians' comes to mind. and do we really need all the fancy trimmings in the main reception areas to give an impression that the hospital is high standard? surely the funding used for these could be put to better use such as treatments, that then would cut back on the number of people having to use the NHS as their conditions would be well managed or cured.
I remember 31 years ago when I had my first child all I had to take into hospital was 2 nappy pins and you had to stay in for at least 7 days, by the time I had my youngest 19 years ago you had to take everything in for the baby and make your own bed if it needed changing. Next it will be that you have to take your own bed in ......
Oh dear on my soapbox again:( sorry folks if I get boring.....
take care all xx
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Date: 04.10.2011
From: Lee
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
Ive just been awarded ESA at £67.50 a week. I laughed as it says Living Expenses...what world are they living in when £67.50 a week coveres living expenses
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Date: 09.10.2011
From: sandra
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
hi davina ive had a letter to about my esa maybe being stopped next year,its so worrying surely they will have to replace it with something else?is there a petition to sign if so i will sign it ,thanks sandra
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Date: 09.10.2011
From: davina
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
hi sandra not to sure, i will look for 1 cause it is stupid if there is nothing else for us that can't work at the mo. x
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Date: 10.10.2011
From: marlene
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
Hi Sandra just bumped up petition for everyone who hasn't signed. Get signing guys before its too late.
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Date: 10.10.2011
From: Dilizjo
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
Hi Sandra is it contribution ESA that you are on at the moment? if so yes they are limiting that to 12 months, which is horrendous. You may be put on income based ESA, this will depend on your circumstances such as savings, if you have more than £6000, you will not be eligible and if you have a partner that is working. I think I have read that this has not actually gone through the house of commons and been made law yet. So we all wait with baited breath. Take care xx
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Date: 10.10.2011
From: sandra
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
hi dilizjo,i am on contribution esa,but i dnt have any savings,my husband is also on esa but hes on the higher group not the wrag group,he is not able to work again due to heart problemsso this money is all we get,we will all just have to wait and see,thanks for info sandra
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Date: 10.10.2011
From: Dilizjo
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Subject: Re: New ESA changes (possible)
In that case Sandra you will be put on Income based ESA so don't worry too much:) and as I said it hasn't been through the house yet, so not yet law. take care:)
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